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Thread: Will Atonal Compositions Last Centuries like Past Works?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bwv 1080 View Post
    Atonaphobia is a treatable condition. While we are not yet advanced far enough as a society to recognize the benefits of involuntary commitments to re-education camps, a regime of extensive Freudian psychotherapy, regular Desoxyn injections and repeated listening to Gruppen can help overcome this crippling neurosis.
    That's okay. Don't need the conversion therapy. I proudly celebrate my Baroquosexuality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bwv 1080 View Post
    Atonaphobia is a treatable condition. While we are not yet advanced far enough as a society to recognize the benefits of involuntary commitments to re-education camps, a regime of extensive Freudian psychotherapy, regular Desoxyn injections and repeated listening to Gruppen can help overcome this crippling neurosis.
    Atonaphobia treatment for the rich! The huddled poor can't even get treatment through Medicaid. Their only recourse is to listen to atonal music until their ears stop bleeding...or not.


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    Late to this thread, but clearly some atonal music has already "lasted." This year the Met is doing Wozzeck and the NY Phil is doing Erwartung. Lots of people will happily buy tickets to these concerts.

    I tend to agree that calling something a "masterpiece" implies a reasonably broad appeal, but it's not easy to define what that is. We have no trouble speaking of classical masterpieces despite the fact that classical music as a whole is a niche interest and these masterpieces are unknown to the vast majority of people living or dead. No one would bat an eye if someone referred to masterpieces of death metal or free jazz, despite these also being niche interests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bwv 1080 View Post
    has lasted 1.16 centuries, hard to see how anyone cant like this, other than a pathological atonaphobe

    I wish that the atonalists (new word, seems to fit) could be just a little more objective now and then.
    Last edited by DaveM; Sep-11-2019 at 00:17.

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    I was listening to Gombert's motet In te Domine speravi while I came across this thread, and the question struck me as a funny one. If sacred Renaissance polyphony has apparently not lasted the centuries because Mahler is more popular, or has not produced any 'masterpieces' because "not a broad enough audience listens to it", then I quite frankly don't give a single **** about these ridiculous assertions.

    Now I think I will go listen to Schoenberg's violin concerto performed by Hilary Hahn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by isorhythm View Post
    We have no trouble speaking of classical masterpieces despite the fact that classical music as a whole is a niche interest and these masterpieces are unknown to the vast majority of people living or dead.
    By those standards, the same could be said for Shakespeare, let alone Milton or Keats.

    I think this repeated assertion that classical music is only a "niche" interest is clich├ęd nonsese. But let's just say, hypothecally, that 3% is correct. I think that figure is pulled out of thin air (or other places) but let's just say it's correct. Given the world's current population, that means that the equivalent of the population of the entire United States listens to classical music.

    Just sayin'.