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Thread: The Who vs The Kinks

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    The Kinks. I've only recently gotten ahold of their stuff and find it much more exciting than anything by The Who.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Baron Scarpia View Post
    ^^^ I also like "Better Days," from the prior album.

    I heard the Kinks live once, in New York, after "State of Confusion came out. I probably have permanent hearing loss from that concert. Cindy Lauper opened. She was almost booed off the stage.

    My book almost appeared in a Cindy Lauper video. I was walking down fifth avenue and strange music was playing and they were filming people dancing on the steps of the Metropolitan museum. Some production assistant saw me and asked to borrow the book I was carrying, they had the idea of the singer and her crew dancing past someone reading a book, who would join in. The song was "Girls Just Wanna Have Fun," of course. It was her first record and no one had heard of her then. The scene didn't take it into the video.
    Nice one.

    I have three television appearances in my cv.

    The first which was not dissimilar from yours although it lacks a star was when we as mates walked across the Ouse Bridge in York on a Saturday among many others and I suddenly found a hand in my chest. The guy, a cameraman, asked us to walk back to the start of the bridge and cross it again so that he could film us. I have no idea why we were chosen or what was the purpose but we did it anyhow.

    Earlier, I was as a child on TV in Ohio when a veteran car pulled into our local petrol garage where my father and I were standing, followed by a limousine and a trailer truck with TV cameras. I was told to get in the old car which I did and they took me to Gatwick, assuring me I would be on TV in the next week.

    And the third was as a professional. An exhibition on ideas for expanding Heathrow. This is one of the UK favourites. We do it every decade. In the meantime, China builds 96 new runways while declaring it is against global warming. A very long day, that, explaining the merits of a new runway to an angry public although they were fairly reasonable with me once they knew I was the environmentalist who would reduce its impacts. But at one point, a woman in a wheelchair was placed by me under the full glare of BBC TV to remonstrate and my minders let it go for a minute or two and then pushed me away from contention. Roll it on a few hours. We are all sitting in a bar trying to wind down and the news is on there.

    And oh my god, I'm there with the woman in the wheelchair across national television. Managers furious. Colleagues delighted. Laughing, a full round of applause. We went out to celebrate and on the way back across the fields I fell into a 30 foot hole. My popularity as a clown increased but promotion never came.

    Sorry - now to stride across my local hills as if I'm all conquering : yep, bathroom : I am going for a p--s:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gY5rztWa1TM

    (Btw, this is an amazing video with loads of artistic references to Britain's current dilemma, uncontrived - I'd not seen it before - and I'm Arsenal 1st, Millwall and York 2nd while also having a very soft spot for Newcastle, Ipswich, Exeter and Villa so most regions covered (!) - so to see Frank Mc etc is special too)
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    Quote Originally Posted by starthrower View Post
    The only one I don't really care for is Come Dancing. But I'm an album listener. The hit radio mentality of playing the same songs over and over has always struck me as idiotic.
    You would not want to be a regular passenger in my car, because I tend to play the same few classical cd's for months at a time. Paint me a happy idiot.

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    This is a good BOTB as the two bands have a lot of "parallel" qualities. Neither went raiding American blues or jazz for ideas and they've both made some of the best rock songs ever... to compare Lola with Behind Blue Eyes, or Tommy with Preservation, is a luxury that few bands can offer...

    I know a number of Brits in my local music scene who claim The Who as their favorite band but I would choose The Kinks mainly because of Ray Davies' personality and range of lyrical material from theater to proto-punk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hiawatha View Post
    Incidentally, while I do get the either/or, is there just a hint in this poll of how "sensitive" or "hard" are you? It's quite interesting to see how many folk have gone hugely in one direction or the other. I have come down on the side of sensitive/creative but not by light years, as is my way. My mates were huge Who fans. There was commonality - and a fair part of me also comes from that early "laddish" angle.
    It wasn't (at least consciously) intended by me. I actually think both bands had their share of "sensitive" and "hard" songs. For me, the issue comes down more to the consistency of each's discography more than anything else, as I feel both had a near-equal share of highlights. Perhaps I could also admit that I've come to appreciate pop craftsmanship much more in recent years, which has meant that some bands for whom a large amount of their appeal was based on energy, aggression, attitude, etc. have fallen some in my estimation; which is to say there would've been a time 5-10 years ago when The Who would've easily won this poll for me, while I wouldn't have given The Kinks the time of day. Now I tend to find the melodicism, pop song craft, and more diverse range of tones of The Kinks a bit more appealing.

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    I can't vote in this poll. I have loved both bands and have a great respect for their creative outputs. To vote for one implies that the other is somehow lesser! I can't see it that way.

    Quadrophenia is rock's greatest opera. After Tommy, Townsend spent time studying the unifying techniques of great opera composers and then showed off: four themes, each representing a different member of The Who, each one representing a different aspect of the protagonist - who has split into four personalities.......because he's a bleeding quadrophenic! Even if you can't relate to the story, it's really brilliant work.

    And speaking of brilliant work....The Kinks Are the Village Green Preservation Society is a flawed work of genius. Flawed only in its timing - it didn't resound with events in America in 1968 - who could have predicted 1968? But in its own wright, it's a masterpiece that paints with the subtle hues of a Daumier. It's a well aged burgundy, not for everyone, but for those that can enjoy it......quite nice!

    I look up in the night sky and I cannot say whether I prefer the blue white color of Castor or the yellow orange giant Pollux! Think I'll open a bottle of rosé and enjoy them both!
    "He who makes songs without feeling spoils both his words and his music. " ~ Guillaume de Machaut

    "Music that is born complex is not inherently better or worse than music that is born simple." ~ Aaron Copland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by starthrower View Post
    The two bands are very different to my ears and eyes. It's a given that American audiences naturally went for the The Who with their extroverted style and testosterone fueled blonde lead singer. I don't listen to much mainstream classic rock but at this point I'd rather put on a Kinks record. In fact I bought almost all of their records from '66-'72, plus a singles collection last year.
    This may have been pointed out by others....

    The Kink's were as successful as the Who in the states, but at the height of their powers they couldn't get the right paperwork to tour in the US of A. Ray Davis has said it killed their career there. Plus their music became more 'English'. Meanwhile the Who did Woodstock etc.

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    Following a mid-year tour of the United States, the American Federation of Musicians refused permits for the group to appear in concerts there for the next four years, effectively cutting off the Kinks from the main market for rock music at the height of the British Invasion.[1][43] Although neither the Kinks nor the union gave a specific reason for the ban, at the time it was widely attributed to their rowdy on-stage behaviour.[43] It has been reported that an incident when the band were taping Dick Clark's TV show Where The Action Is in 1965 led to the ban. Ray Davies recalls in his autobiography, "Some guy who said he worked for the TV company walked up and accused us of being late. Then he started making anti-British comments. Things like "Just because the Beatles did it, every mop-topped, spotty-faced limey juvenile thinks he can come over here and make a career for himself." following which a punch was thrown and the AFM banned them.[44]
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    ^ I briefly alluded to that history in my OP. I've wondered if history would remember The Kinks differently if they had gotten the permits to tour the US at the height of their powers and of the British Invasion's popularity.

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    What also didn't help the Kinks was being lumbered with a record company (Pye) who virtually gave up on promoting new Kinks albums from 1966 as they were more concerned in putting their weight behind compilation albums of previously-released material.
    '...a violator of his word, a libertine over head and ears in debt and disgrace, a despiser of domestic ties, the companion of gamblers and demireps, a man who has just closed half a century without a single claim on the gratitude of his country or the respect of posterity...' - Leigh Hunt on the Prince Regent (later George IV).

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    You will never hear this song the same way again.......


    The sun shines
    People forget
    The heat will rise as the chocolate dies
    People forget

    The new sweets
    People forget
    The sweat they can't stand as they melt in your hand
    People forget

    Forget their hiding
    Behind an
    M&M front,
    It's an M&M front (plain or peanut?)
    "He who makes songs without feeling spoils both his words and his music. " ~ Guillaume de Machaut

    "Music that is born complex is not inherently better or worse than music that is born simple." ~ Aaron Copland.

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