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    Screw it, let's average all the methods!

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    There's another aspect of this matter going on elsewhere currently in the following thread:

    Talk Classical's Most Recommended Composers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Couchie View Post
    How did you get this data? Can it easily be done for 400 composers?
    I suspect there is no easy way to do this (I mean, other than checking all the relevant composer's pages one by one). About nine years ago, I did such an analysis for about 120 composers whom I expected to have a chance of making the top 50 or top 100 list, so this time I have only checked the top 45 names from my old list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Portamento View Post
    Screw it, let's average all the methods!
    Better yet, let's scratch the multitude of methods and just listen/enjoy all the great music.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bulldog View Post
    Better yet, let's scratch the multitude of methods and just listen/enjoy all the great music.
    Perhaps from your vast experience in organising hundreds of polls on this Forum you could advise on the one most likely to be useful in ranking composers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bulldog View Post
    Better yet, let's scratch the multitude of methods and just listen/enjoy all the great music.
    Of course, but ranking composers and arguing endlessly is so much more fun!

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    I think the main question is who is number one: Bach, Mozart, or Beethoven. I know who’s my number one, but no one seems to know who’s the bonafide top dog, the big enchilada, the big Lebowski, the supreme commander, the ruler of the Queens Navy, and consequently, there are a lot of sleepless nights worrying about how these three are getting along on Mount Olympus, especially if they are being competitive with each other and not getting along. God forbid if Beethoven fell in love with one of Bach’s daughters or had religious differences. Should Mozart be demoted from the top spot because of the scatological humor? Is Bach better at his best than Mozart is at his best or Beethoven? I hope someone gets to the bottom of this and objectively declares who’s wearing the top hat and gets more press. I’m betting on…
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    Quote Originally Posted by Partita View Post
    Perhaps from your vast experience in organising hundreds of polls on this Forum you could advise on the one most likely to be useful in ranking composers.
    Polls can be interesting and fun, but useful they aren't.

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    ^^^ The fun part of polls is knowing what other people prefer. The not-so-fun part is having people dispute your taste and give so-called reasons why your fourth-favorite composer couldn't possibly deserve that "ranking."
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    ^ Yes, I value Brahms highly, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enthusiast View Post
    ^ Yes, I value Brahms highly, too.
    What's the joke?

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    I think the main question is who is number one: Bach, Mozart, or Beethoven. I hope someone gets to the bottom of this and objectively declares who’s wearing the top hat and gets more press.

    I agree they are the top 3 but don't think determining No. 1 is that difficult. Just compare output for quality and quantity.

    Symphonies: Beethoven 1, Mozart 2, Bach 3
    Other orchestral: Beethoven 1, Mozart 2, Bach 3
    Sacred choral: Bach 1, Mozart 2, Beethoven 3
    Chamber music: Beethoven 1, Mozart 2, Bach 3
    Solo instrumental: Bach 1, Beethoven 2, Mozart 3
    Concertos: Beethoven 1, Mozart 2, Bach 3
    Opera: Mozart 1, Beethoven 2, Bach 3
    Music for stage (includes Bach's secular cantatas): Beethoven 1, Mozart 2, Bach 3

    Add in any other category you want then total the numbers and, like if golf, low score wins. If you don't like my scoring do your own.

    Score here: Beethoven 12, Mozart 16, Bach 20.

    This wasn't what I expected before I did the exercise; I thought Mozart would win. I'm sure had he lived as long as the other two he would have won easily.
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    Quote Originally Posted by larold View Post
    I think the main question is who is number one: Bach, Mozart, or Beethoven. I hope someone gets to the bottom of this and objectively declares who’s wearing the top hat and gets more press.

    I agree they are the top 3 but don't think determining No. 1 is that difficult. Just compare output for quality and quantity.

    Symphonies: Beethoven 1, Mozart 2, Bach 3
    Other orchestral: Beethoven 1, Mozart 2, Bach 3
    Sacred choral: Bach 1, Mozart 2, Beethoven 3
    Chamber music: Beethoven 1, Mozart 2, Bach 3
    Solo instrumental: Bach 1, Beethoven 2, Mozart 3
    Concertos: Beethoven 1, Mozart 2, Bach 3
    Opera: Mozart 1, Beethoven 2, Bach 3
    Music for stage (includes Bach's secular cantatas): Beethoven 1, Mozart 2, Bach 3

    Add in any other category you want then total the numbers and, like if golf, low score wins. If you don't like my scoring do your own.

    Score here: Beethoven 12, Mozart 16, Bach 20.

    This wasn't what I expected before I did the exercise; I thought Mozart would win. I'm sure had he lived as long as the other two he would have won easily.
    I would have to dispute your ranking for concertos

    Let's consider Beethoven

    5 PC
    1 VC
    1 Triple concerto

    Mozart

    27 PC (Of which say 10 may be considered great - though some would say 15)
    Violin - 5 (of which 3 are in the repertoire)
    plus horn concertos
    Clarinet Concerto - probably rated as the best wind concerto ever composed
    Flute x 2
    Sinfonia Concertante

    I think you ought to agree Mozart is way ahead.

    He is also streets ahead in opera though in your system gains little from his superiority.

    Other orchestral? That is also debatable. In overtures they are equal.

    Im not even sure about Chamber. Beethoven composed more quartets - but he is behind in quintets and other pieces - divertimenti (K563 etc)
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    Solo Instrumental:
    Bach - 4
    Beethoven - 3
    Mozart - 1

    Chamber:
    Beethoven - 4
    Mozart - 2
    Bach - 1

    Orchestral (includes concertos):
    Beethoven - 4
    Mozart - 3
    Bach - 1

    Vocal:
    Bach - 4
    Mozart - 3
    Beethoven - 1

    Final:
    Beethoven - 12
    Bach - 10
    Mozart - 9

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bulldog View Post
    Solo Instrumental:
    Bach - 4
    Beethoven - 3
    Mozart - 1

    Chamber:
    Beethoven - 4
    Mozart - 2
    Bach - 1

    Orchestral (includes concertos):
    Beethoven - 4
    Mozart - 3
    Bach - 1

    Vocal:
    Bach - 4
    Mozart - 3
    Beethoven - 1

    Final:
    Beethoven - 12
    Bach - 10
    Mozart - 9
    every one of us will apply this system to our own tastes.

    Just because Bach wrote a zillion cantatas that hardly anyone listens to now I wouldnt put him ahead of Mozart.

    the weighting for vocal would be

    Mozart 6
    Bach 4
    Beethoven 1

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