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    I haven't read it, yet, but feel sure I will not agree with everything! This article is from The Guardian today:

    https://www.theguardian.com/music/20...e-21st-century

    Do you agree with any of the choices?

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    Mmmmmm.....

    It seems the overwhelming majority of composers alive and working are in the English-speaking world. I somehow doubt this is the case.

    Maybe all that "foreign rubbish" simply "doesn't travel well"?

    Then again The Minotaur is pretty awesome. I have a great deal of admiration for Birtwistle, so pleased he's got an entry.
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    I've heard some of these; I liked Michael Daughtery's Trail of Tears concerto better than any of them.

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    The Guardian ought to stick to their left of center journalism and leave music to other publications. Aren't they the rag that published the opera is stupid article? A composer from Spain that I find very impressive is Jose Sanchez-Verdu. Check out his release on the Kairos label. it's superb!

    https://www.amazon.com/Philharmonie-...s=music&sr=1-3
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    ^ To be fair to The Guardian, they tend to print a range of views even when it comes to the news and politics. But it is most certainly not a left of centre rag. It is unashamedly centrist, is just as likely to attack the left as the right and probably employs more right leaning than left leaning columnists. Did you have any views on the pieces they chose for praise?
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    1 Hans Abrahamsen: Let Me Tell You (2013)
    Wow, after having grumbled, groaned and moaned to myself about seeing Carl Nielsen assigned as a 4th tier composer it is relief for a Danish nationalist like me to see Hans Abrahamsen winning this one!!
    I will put on my "klaphat" and clap! Hat: Clap :
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    I have heard a few - little to love, nothing to tap your toe to, nothing other than a lot of noise to me. The Thomas Ades overture to The Tempest - sounds like an orchestra warming up. Both Tchaikovsky and Sibelius wrote a Tempest - and both made a far more agreeable and worthy work than Ades.

    Adam's City Noir is ok; it's imaginative, well-orchestrated, has contrast and a nice sax part.

    MacMillan's Stabat Mater I've heard live. It's an affecting, often haunting work. Some of the best new music is being written for choral groups.

    Will any of this music survive another 50 years? Or even 10? I still say audiences expect, and demand, beauty - a good tune, beautifully harmonized, and well orchestrated (in any form). So many composers seem to want to out-ugly each other as if that's a good aesthetic. And then they wonder why pop music dominates.

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    ^^ Indeed. Although anything in print is left-wing compared to the likes of The Mail and the now effing-irritating Telegraph. For left-wing, you need the Morning Star, which has a circulation of about 7. Horrid, horrid publication, sees Corbyn and his politburo as woolly liberals. The typical Grauniad reader would be a LibDem supporter, beard, corduroys, bad breath etc.

    It was originally from Manchester (printed there from about 1820?, Just after they discovered moveable typeface up there) but as with probably all our national newspapers, is now London-based.

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    I was about to get incensed about the lack of Richard Strauss or Jean Sibelius on this list.

    Then I realized "this century" means the 21st.

    I am old.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enthusiast View Post
    ^ To be fair to The Guardian, they tend to print a range of views even when it comes to the news and politics. But it is most certainly not a left of centre rag. It is unashamedly centrist, is just as likely to attack the left as the right and probably employs more right leaning than left leaning columnists. Did you have any views on the pieces they chose for praise?
    I'm familiar with a number of the composers but not the pieces they chose. I've heard some good music from Saariaho, Harvey, Abrahamsen, and Chin. But I'm not sure my favorite pieces are from this century. As I mentioned, right now I like Sanchez-Verdu. I was impressed with all of the pieces on the CD I bought.

    I should say I have heard the Adams piece on the radio. A lively work to keep one awake in a traffic jam but he's not saying anything new. But it was more exciting than a lot of the second tier baroque music they play on my local station.
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    Let's be excited for those lesser sons of greater sires on The Guardian's list.

    meanwhile:

    1. Shore, Howard - The Return of the King
    2. Shore, Howard - The Two Towers
    3. Shore, Howard - The Fellowship of the Ring
    4. Williams, John - Revenge of the Sith
    5. Williams, John - Philosopher's Stone
    6. Williams, John - The Last Jedi
    7. Williams, John - Attack of the Clones
    8. Williams, John - The Force Awakens
    9. Williams, John - A.I. Artificial Intelligence

    and then:
    "Williams' 9th" will show them. No idea which spot will it deserve. Can't wait till December. They are recording it as we speak!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enthusiast View Post
    ^ To be fair to The Guardian, they tend to print a range of views even when it comes to the news and politics. But it is most certainly not a left of centre rag. It is unashamedly centrist, is just as likely to attack the left as the right and probably employs more right leaning than left leaning columnists. Did you have any views on the pieces they chose for praise?
    I follow the G every day

    I dont think that is true

    There are one or two token leavers and right leaners only.

    the rest are so called progressives

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    Definitely pretty Anglo-centric. I like the inclusion of Linda Catlin Smith and Cassandra Miller, though!

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    I think this is an admirable attempt at a "best" list. They managed to squeeze quite a few of my personal favorites on the list, e.g. the Neuwirth, Saariaho, Kurtag, Abrahamsen, JL Adams, Chin, and MacMillan works. The inclusion of Goebbels' Hashirigaki was a pleasant surprise as I'm a fan of some of his other works, but this was new to me and did not disappoint.

    I disagree with the Adams and Reich entries as I think they are fairly lesser works in both of their catalogues and they only placed due to their overall popularity from their past works. I notice that they attempted a list with great diversity in styles and nationalities, but it still seems to skew somewhat toward UK/Canadian-based composers. I, for one, have never heard of Jennifer Walshe, Linda Catlin Smith, or Cassandra Miller and am only slightly familiar with Gerald Barry. Now those works may be great for all that I know, but I'm skeptical they all should be included given the Ades, Richter, Saunders, Harvey, and MacMillan entries.

    Some works that I think probably should be on a list like this (but are not necessarily personal favorites) are:
    Haas: in vain (2000)
    Not my favorite Haas work, but it's probably his most admired and perhaps the most influential work to the spectral and Darmstadt communities. It was the hands-down selection as best work of the 21st century from a large survey of European music professionals. I personally prefer limited approximations or his 7th String Quartet but those have not had quite the same impact.

    Gubaidulina: In Tempus Praesens (2007)
    A work that I find to be a wonderful and moving sequel to her first great violin concerto. Representative of her expressive and powerful style, it's the work of a master at the peak of their powers. Plus the fact that it was commissioned from and has support from Anne-Sophie Mutter should be a boon.

    Gibson: The Four Pillars Appearing from The Equal D under Resonating Apparitions of The Eternal Process in The Midwinter Starfield (2014)
    I still don't know quite what to make of this piece but I would put it on a list purely for its mind-blowing ambition and concept which R. Andrew Lee convincingly executes. I think lists should not merely reflect what is popular, but also showcase the incredible capabilities possible within classical music.

    Stockhausen: Cosmic Pulses (2007)
    Romitelli: An Index of Metals (2003)
    I think electronics are an indispensable instrument of contemporary classical music and I think these works are great examples of pure and incorporated electronic works. These two seem to have found their audiences, but those more familiar with the genre may find better, more interesting representatives. I personally like some of Dhomont's works a bit more but they appear considerably lesser-known.

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    I'm not that familiar with the stuff of this century, but Penderecki's Piano Concerto Resurrection is missing? It is an extraordinary piece!

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