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    Quote Originally Posted by Luchesi View Post
    This unique history gave the Earth rotational axis stability and the largest core for its size.

    The large core will be active for a longer time and it generates the magnetic field to protect us from high energy photons and also probably enables plate tectonics and the carbon cycle.
    I suspect that all sentient races believe their planets are unique in ways that allowed them, in all their effulgent glory, to evolve.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KenOC View Post
    I suspect that all sentient races believe their planets are unique in ways that allowed them, in all their effulgent glory, to evolve.
    They say there needs to be a reason for intelligence to evolve, but in our case it was the accident of neoteny. Not very promising on the few earth-like planets out there. One in ten trillion star systems, so a handful in a supercluster.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luchesi View Post
    This unique history gave the Earth rotational axis stability and the largest core for its size.

    The large core will be active for a longer time and it generates the magnetic field to protect us from high energy photons and also probably enables plate tectonics and the carbon cycle.

    And of course, this would never happen again in 160 BILLION planets just in the Milky Way alone??????? Gee, what are the odds? And of course our galaxy is just one of anywhere between 200 billion to 2 trillion galaxies in the known universe. And yet, our planet would be unique?????? Ahhhhhh, egocentricism....thy name must be Earth!

    As astronomers make new findings and modify the Drake Equation, it still comes up with a probability of life in the universe greater than 1. One of the few points of wide agreement is that the presence of humanity implies a probability of intelligence arising of greater than zero.

    On a side "note" and with our discussion taking place in a music forum, there is a musical adaption of the Frank Drake equation. I call it the Nick Drake Equation which postulates that the rise of thoughtful, sensitive, thought-provoking and intelligent music in a universe of pop bullsheet is also greater than 0.
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    If there's a handful of intelligences, technical civilizations, within our rather small Virgo Supercluster then there's a trillion more beyond that in the wider universe. We're lucky that we're insulated from them by about 100 million years of travel time (we hope).
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    Some observers seem to forget to consider that there might be a faster means of travel than the speed of light—something other-dimensional that human beings have not discovered yet and do not understand that makes it possible for one to transport oneself, for example, from here to the Pleiades within the twinkling of an eye. I would imagine that it’s already being done. The decision that the human race is faced with is to anticipate or not whether those outside our solar system are malefic or benefic influences, but probably with the usual homo sapiens' anticipation of fear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larkenfield View Post
    Some observers seem to forget to consider that there might be a faster means of travel than the speed of light—something other-dimensional that human beings have not discovered yet and do not understand that makes it possible for one to transport oneself, for example, from here to the Pleiades within the twinkling of an eye. I would imagine that it’s already being done. The decision that the human race is faced with is whether to anticipate or not whether those outside our solar system are malefic or benefic, but probably most likely with the usual anticipation of fear.
    Or the opposite may be true. The universe may have limits as to what is actually feasible. We've been brought up in a time in which the linear advancement of travel has progressed from horse, to train, to car, to plane, to jet, and finally to rocket. Maybe the speed of light is a construct that cannot be overcome and worm holes may exist but not for travel. Seems to me that is the logical reason for the Fermi Paradox. Maybe no advanced intelligence has figured this out yet because there is nothing to figure out. So far, warp drive seems only to work on film!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Larkenfield View Post
    Some observers seem to forget to consider that there might be a faster means of travel than the speed of light—something other-dimensional that human beings have not discovered yet and do not understand that makes it possible for one to transport oneself, for example, from here to the Pleiades within the twinkling of an eye. I would imagine that it’s already being done. The decision that the human race is faced with is whether to anticipate or not whether those outside our solar system are malefic or benefic, but probably most likely with the usual anticipation of fear.
    You realize there is no theoretical or empirical evidence to support that?

    You read about wormholes and other extreme warping of space time, etc. Those are solutions that are not ruled out by general relativity, but there is no evidence that they actually exist in nature. Even if possible, to create such a thing artificially would presumably require inconceivable amounts of energy. And even if a wormhole were magically found, it wouldn't solve anything. To find for life you need to exhaustively search huge volumes of space. Being able to hop from one spot to another extremely remote spot doesn't help you search huge volumes of space. If you told me you had dropped my wallet somewhere in the continental United States, having a wormhole that allows me to pop from New York to Los Angeles doesn't help me search for my missing wallet.

    It's science fiction, and not very good science fiction.

    The boring truth is that the expanse of the universe is vast, even light goes very slowly compared to that, we can't exceed or even reasonably approach the speed of light. There is no way to communicate except for our own very local neighborhood. There very well may be life out there, existing at remote locations for brief periods of time, but we will never be able to find it or go there.

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    “I have learned to use the word impossible with the greatest caution.” —Wernher von Braun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larkenfield View Post
    “I have learned to use the word impossible with the greatest caution.” —Wernher von Braun.
    True enough, and I never used the word "impossible." But a very small fraction of what cannot be demonstrated impossible at any given time actually comes to pass.

    As far as von Braun, yes, it is not impossible to put a capsule on top of an enormous tank of combustable liquid and shoot it into the air. Not quite the same twisting up space-time like a pretzel.
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    That must mean it's time for the Wernher Von Braun song!


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    there is a very fundamental theoretical reason why the speed of light is limited
    https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...-speed-of-lig/
    and anyone who knows something about physics (ie had some semesters of physics at university) knows that the speed limit is a very fundamental property of the universe and that the speed limit cannot be crossed. If supraluminal speeds were allowed, the whole logic of spacetime would crumble

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    Remember the news from CERN back in 2011? “Scientists said on Thursday they recorded particles travelling faster than light - a finding that could overturn one of Einstein's fundamental laws of the universe.” Turned out to be a loose cable. But you never know!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacck View Post
    there is a very fundamental theoretical reason why the speed of light is limited
    https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...-speed-of-lig/
    and anyone who knows something about physics (ie had some semesters of physics at university) knows that the speed limit is a very fundamental property of the universe and that the speed limit cannot be crossed. If supraluminal speeds were allowed, the whole logic of spacetime would crumble
    If we are in a simulation then “time" would slow down for the observer of an event which was moving very fast or very close to a large mass of particles because the number of computations required to simulate it would need to be increased immeasurably.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luchesi View Post
    If we are in a simulation then “time" would slow down for the observer of an event which was moving very fast or very close to a large mass of particles because the number of computations required to simulate it would need to be increased immeasurably.
    So you are saying it is possible that we are in a simulation written by an incompetent programmer who is not keeping track of the time base in different simulation steps? Well, maybe that explains yesterday when the sky briefly went black and I distinctly saw a message in the heavens, "floating point exception: divide by zero," before things returned to normal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baron Scarpia View Post
    So you are saying it is possible that we are in a simulation written by an incompetent programmer who is not keeping track of the time base in different simulation steps? Well, maybe that explains yesterday when the sky briefly went black and I distinctly saw a message in the heavens, "floating point exception: divide by zero," before things returned to normal.
    And if you fell into a black hole you'd realize that the computations of all that, couldn't keep up.

    If you got run over by a bus, you'd continue to be 'sentient' as a simulated ghost.
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