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    Quote Originally Posted by MatthewWeflen View Post
    It's a well known fact that everything you read on the internet is a lie.
    Yes, even that post.


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    Where ever you go people are on their cell phones. I have been in the movie where the person in front of me has been constantly on their cell phone and has looked most agrieved when I’ve asked them politely to turn it off. I don’t know why they bother to go to a movie if they’re going to watch their cell phone instead! Now of course we have ignorant people who distracted others by recording the concert instead of experiencing it. ASM was right in making an example of such people. Such recording is illegal and also highly distracting to other people who have pay good money to hear the concert
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    Quote Originally Posted by Open Book View Post
    By me some people think it is acceptable to play games or read email on their phone during concerts as long as the sound is off.
    A couple of years ago I was at a Prom at the Royal Opera House. We had seats in one of the boxes. And a guy in the neighbouring box spent the whole concert watching a football game on his phone - sound off, but clearly in my view. Quite aside from being totally distracting, I just couldn't see the point of being there at all. If the football match is more important to you, then stay home and watch it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Manxfeeder View Post
    Isn't there an announcement before concerts to turn cell phones off? Still, I'm sorry the lady in the front row had to be escorted out. Public humiliation isn't the kind of thing you get over quickly. But making an example out of someone keeps bad habits from spreading.
    I do like your comment. Obviously she shouldn't have done it and I, too, don't get the current obsession with filming everything, but the lady's humiliation is also something I thought about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsaraslondon View Post
    A couple of years ago I was at a Prom at the Royal Opera House. We had seats in one of the boxes. And a guy in the neighbouring box spent the whole concert watching a football game on his phone - sound off, but clearly in my view. Quite aside from being totally distracting, I just couldn't see the point of being there at all. If the football match is more important to you, then stay home and watch it.
    Perhaps he was there on a subsidised jolly - people being invited to an event and then going just for the booze and/or food is one of the downsides of corporate hospitality.
    '...a violator of his word, a libertine over head and ears in debt and disgrace, a despiser of domestic ties, the companion of gamblers and demireps, a man who has just closed half a century without a single claim on the gratitude of his country or the respect of posterity...' - Leigh Hunt on the Prince Regent (later George IV).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enthusiast View Post
    I do like your comment. Obviously she shouldn't have done it and I, too, don't get the current obsession with filming everything, but the lady's humiliation is also something I thought about.
    Serves her right. Name and shame is what I say.
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    OK, I guess I get to be the contrarian here; I don't see what the big deal is. Given where I live, I see more pop/rock concerts than classical concerts (latter are always a good drive a way; former tend to be really close), and in the former pretty much everyone is recording the performance with their cell phones. I don't do this myself, but I don't find it bothersome that others do, and I don't really understand why anyone would (I find tall people directly in front of me more annoying). So I'm trying to imagine what the difference would be at a classical concert. People filming concerts are just doing it to have the memory of being there, the same way people make home movies of vacations and birthdays. They don't watch the videos back to enjoy the concert (the sound/video sucks), but to enjoy the memory of being there. Maybe someone can explain to me how/why this would be distracting either for the performer or the audience; if you're a performer, why aren't you focused on what you're playing, and if you're the audience, why aren't you focused on the performer and not on the person with a phone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsaraslondon View Post
    Serves her right. Name and shame is what I say.
    Fair enough but she might not have known the expectations and requirements of her. It might have been her first (and now last) classical concert. Requiring her to put her phone away would have been humiliating enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eva Yojimbo View Post
    OK, I guess I get to be the contrarian here; I don't see what the big deal is. Given where I live, I see more pop/rock concerts than classical concerts (latter are always a good drive a way; former tend to be really close), and in the former pretty much everyone is recording the performance with their cell phones. I don't do this myself, but I don't find it bothersome that others do, and I don't really understand why anyone would (I find tall people directly in front of me more annoying). So I'm trying to imagine what the difference would be at a classical concert. People filming concerts are just doing it to have the memory of being there, the same way people make home movies of vacations and birthdays. They don't watch the videos back to enjoy the concert (the sound/video sucks), but to enjoy the memory of being there. Maybe someone can explain to me how/why this would be distracting either for the performer or the audience; if you're a performer, why aren't you focused on what you're playing, and if you're the audience, why aren't you focused on the performer and not on the person with a phone?
    As someone has mentioned, the phones are an unwelcome distraction if the person is next to you or right in front of you even if the sound is off. If you want a souvenir, keep the program.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eva Yojimbo View Post
    OK, I guess I get to be the contrarian here; I don't see what the big deal is. Given where I live, I see more pop/rock concerts than classical concerts (latter are always a good drive a way; former tend to be really close), and in the former pretty much everyone is recording the performance with their cell phones. I don't do this myself, but I don't find it bothersome that others do, and I don't really understand why anyone would (I find tall people directly in front of me more annoying). So I'm trying to imagine what the difference would be at a classical concert. People filming concerts are just doing it to have the memory of being there, the same way people make home movies of vacations and birthdays. They don't watch the videos back to enjoy the concert (the sound/video sucks), but to enjoy the memory of being there. Maybe someone can explain to me how/why this would be distracting either for the performer or the audience; if you're a performer, why aren't you focused on what you're playing, and if you're the audience, why aren't you focused on the performer and not on the person with a phone?
    I actually can't believe you even have to ask this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fluteman View Post
    As someone has mentioned, the phones are an unwelcome distraction if the person is next to you or right in front of you even if the sound is off. If you want a souvenir, keep the program.
    So what's the distraction? Maybe I'm just too used to watching concerts through people's arms and heads by this point that I find it normal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsaraslondon View Post
    I actually can't believe you even have to ask this.
    Well, nobody's really answered it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eva Yojimbo View Post
    Well, nobody's really answered it.
    Quite aside from the fact that filming a performance is illegal, whether it's classical or pop, the two experiences (pop concerts and classical concerts) are entirely different. At pop concerts the music is amplified, the audiences are huge, people come and go, they eat and drink. At quite a few of them the section closest to the stage is standing rather than seated and people move around. The whole experience is full of distractions and that can be part of the fun, though personally I prefer it if people are concentrated on the performance rather than getting their drinks from the bar.

    At a classical concert there is no amplification. Audiences are, or should be, more committed to listening to the music. Mutter herself once made the observation that different music, even within the classical repertoire, can require different levels of commitent, making the point that the Beethoven concerto, for instance, asked for a much greater level of concentration than a Vivaldi concerto. If you're an artist on stage, looking out at a darkened auditorium, a sudden flash of light can be extremely distracting and can interrupt concentration. A professional learns to ignore the distraction, but it can still be annoying.

    And, apart from anything else, it is plain rude, both to the artist and the audience. It shows a complete lack of consideration for anyone else. It's saying my wanting to capture this on video is much more important than anything or anyone else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eva Yojimbo View Post
    Well, nobody's really answered it.
    I mentioned above that the lighted screen of a phone being used beside me in a dark hall is distracting even when the user is just playing games. If a phone is on there is always a chance it will make noise no matter how well the user thinks he has secured the sound.

    And those responsible for the concert don't want videos taken. They own every aspect of that concert including images of it. That's reason enough.

    Of course there is other distracting behavior that doesn't involve phones. Rattling paper programs, for instance.
    Last edited by Open Book; Oct-02-2019 at 16:05.
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