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    The worst audience experience I have had at a musical event was some 35 or more years ago. I was given a free ticket to a Royal Opera House production (I can't remember what but I think it was Verdi). The ticket was for a seat in the Stalls. These seats are the most expensive but not necessarily the best in terms of sound or view. I don't know how it is now but most of the people sitting around me were very posh and from snippets of conversation overheard did not appear to care much about the music. For some having to ensure the opera was the downside of being there. Throughout the opera a group of older school children sitting just behind me were whispering to each other and unwrapping sweets. No-one else seemed to care and I guess they must have gone to the right school.

    Incidentally, the audience around me had seemed to identify that I was not of their class and getting to and from my seat was something of a challenge as, on seeing me coming, people would position themselves to block my progress or even on one occasion to try to trip me up.

    I would love to see such people shamed!
    In America, people don't think so much about their 'class' as they do about themselves. It would never occur to these people flashing lights or making noise during a concert that their actions might have a negative impact on those around them, as those around them essentially do not exist. Only they exist, and only their own immediate needs and wants have any relevance.

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    ^ Yes, our British obsession with class is unique to us. By the accents (and the odd words I caught) the people I encountered were well-healed and educated at one of the "better" schools. I am sure they thought of themselves as upper class. They were certainly looking down on me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fluteman View Post
    On the subject of bootlegs, which none of my previous posts addressed: I try to steer clear of them. As a used LP collector, I often see them, usually in plain white covers and described as such, often selling for quite a premium. Of course, the CD era resulted in an explosion of bootlegs and counterfeits. As Tsaraslondon correctly says, the bootlegs are nearly always radio broadcast transcriptions, often from Eastern Europe, at least in the early days, and it isn't just opera.
    Perhaps my perspective differs since my favorite pianist is Grigory Sokolov, a performer who refuses to record in studio and lets precious few live performance tapings be released commercially. He also hasn't traveled outside Europe to perform in quite some time; so basically my only way of hearing his artistry is through bootlegs created by audience members literally recording with their phones. Not all, of course--a good number of his bootlegs are radio broadcasts tapings. But a very large number are of the phones-in-pocket variety.

    And I'm personally hugely grateful to all of his audience members who have documented this great artist, whose reputation as possibly the greatest living pianist rests in large part due to these bootlegs. It's very peculiar to see these people, who are the most fanatic of the fanatics in our talking-about-classical-music-online community be described as inattentive--I would assume that they're about the most attentive, reading through the scores while listening variety.

    I also have purchased a large quantity of recordings from Operadepot and Opera Passion. I don't believe it's remotely accurate to say that these are "nearly always" from broadcast recordings. A very large number are obviously taped from the audience.
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    I've been tempted by something similar. There was a 2011 HD Met performance of Gluck's "Iphigenie en Tauride" with Domingo and Graham that I really enjoyed. It never went to DVD. It's not an opera performed very often so that there are many alternative performances, either.

    I found bootlegs of this performance for sale on a certain online site. Then they disappeared from the site. Then they came back, I guess always one step ahead of the law.

    I couldn't bring myself to buy it but happily found that that performance of "Iphigenie" is available on demand with a Met subscription, so it can be rented if not owned. I can see how frustrating it is if a performer doesn't leave any permanent souvenirs for his fans like this Sokolov pianist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by howlingfantods View Post
    Perhaps my perspective differs since my favorite pianist is Grigory Sokolov, a performer who refuses to record in studio and lets precious few live performance tapings be released commercially. He also hasn't traveled outside Europe to perform in quite some time; so basically my only way of hearing his artistry is through bootlegs created by audience members literally recording with their phones. Not all, of course--a good number of his bootlegs are radio broadcasts tapings. But a very large number are of the phones-in-pocket variety.

    And I'm personally hugely grateful to all of his audience members who have documented this great artist, whose reputation as possibly the greatest living pianist rests in large part due to these bootlegs. It's very peculiar to see these people, who are the most fanatic of the fanatics in our talking-about-classical-music-online community be described as inattentive--I would assume that they're about the most attentive, reading through the scores while listening variety.

    I also have purchased a large quantity of recordings from Operadepot and Opera Passion. I don't believe it's remotely accurate to say that these are "nearly always" from broadcast recordings. A very large number are obviously taped from the audience.
    Yes, I suppose Sokolov is the modern-day Richter. As for your comment, "I don't believe it's remotely accurate to say that these are "nearly always" from broadcast recordings. A very large number are obviously taped from the audience", well, I don't dispute that there are many audience taped recordings circulating about. But there are very, very, many mislabeled or unlabeled radio transcriptions, at least from the 78, LP and early CD eras. The number is staggering, as any longtime collector begins to realize. But I suspect the internet era has greatly cut down on the need or opportunity to make radio broadcast bootlegs. Maybe for the likes of your hero Sokolov, audience-made audio and/or video efforts make it online and have now become the preferred form of bootleg.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enthusiast View Post
    The worst audience experience I have had at a musical event was some 35 or more years ago. I was given a free ticket to a Royal Opera House production (I can't remember what but I think it was Verdi). The ticket was for a seat in the Stalls. These seats are the most expensive but not necessarily the best in terms of sound or view. I don't know how it is now but most of the people sitting around me were very posh and from snippets of conversation overheard did not appear to care much about the music. For some having to ensure the opera was the downside of being there. Throughout the opera a group of older school children sitting just behind me were whispering to each other and unwrapping sweets. No-one else seemed to care and I guess they must have gone to the right school.

    Incidentally, the audience around me had seemed to identify that I was not of their class and getting to and from my seat was something of a challenge as, on seeing me coming, people would position themselves to block my progress or even on one occasion to try to trip me up.

    I would love to see such people shamed!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eva Yojimbo View Post
    OK, I guess I get to be the contrarian here; I don't see what the big deal is. Given where I live, I see more pop/rock concerts than classical concerts (latter are always a good drive a way; former tend to be really close), and in the former pretty much everyone is recording the performance with their cell phones. I don't do this myself, but I don't find it bothersome that others do, and I don't really understand why anyone would (I find tall people directly in front of me more annoying). So I'm trying to imagine what the difference would be at a classical concert. People filming concerts are just doing it to have the memory of being there, the same way people make home movies of vacations and birthdays. They don't watch the videos back to enjoy the concert (the sound/video sucks), but to enjoy the memory of being there. Maybe someone can explain to me how/why this would be distracting either for the performer or the audience; if you're a performer, why aren't you focused on what you're playing, and if you're the audience, why aren't you focused on the performer and not on the person with a phone?
    Couldnt agree more.

    I had a guy next to me at a Thomas tallis recital dressed as a clown pulling all sorts of weird faces and silent lip diddling

    didnt bother me a bit - I focused on the wonderful singing

    dont understand all the fuss against cell phone recording at concerts etc if someone got an easel out and started an oil painting of the performer - it makes no difference to my enjoyment.

    live and let live

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    Quote Originally Posted by PlaySalieri View Post
    Couldnt agree more.

    I had a guy next to me at a Thomas tallis recital dressed as a clown pulling all sorts of weird faces and silent lip diddling

    didnt bother me a bit - I focused on the wonderful singing

    dont understand all the fuss against cell phone recording at concerts etc if someone got an easel out and started an oil painting of the performer - it makes no difference to my enjoyment.

    live and let live
    Seriously, you sat next to a guy who was clowning and you had no reaction and could still concentrate of the concert? I hope he was part of the program. If it was an opera or other dramatic program rather than strictly musical and they wanted some audience involvement, I can see (though I don't like) planting people like this in the audience. But not during an instrumental concert.

    I admire your ability to not get distracted, but not everyone is like you. If people are being a visual distraction it's usually a small step to their being an auditory nuisance, too.
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    The problem in this case was the girl in the front row holding up the phone had distracted the performer. Somewhere I saw an account from Mutter herself, saying that she had been distracted by the person in the first movement of the concerto, thought she had shamed her into putting it away by glaring at her, then the girl pulls out the phone again in the second movement. At that point she lost it. I don't blame her.

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    Chicago Symphony performances, as one might expect, always begin with an admonition not to photograph or record. I wasn't there but I expect this was no exception. Not only disregarding that instruction, but doing it in a manner that distracts the performer, seems to me to be bordering on narcissistic sociopathy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Baron Scarpia View Post
    The problem in this case was the girl in the front row holding up the phone had distracted the performer. Somewhere I saw an account from Mutter herself, saying that she had been distracted by the person in the first movement of the concerto, thought she had shamed her into putting it away by glaring at her, then the girl pulls out the phone again in the second movement. At that point she lost it. I don't blame her.
    Reminds me of my wife. She loves her cellphone. When we are watching tv together, she holds it as if it was a precious piece of art. She gets hundreds of facebook entries every day. I asked her why she receives so many per day - her answer was that she has tons of friends.

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    1) Ignore the messages and / or signs that recording is forbidden
    2) Record anyway
    3) Cease this behaviour when Mutter is looking at you
    4) Do it again after a while
    5) Mutter is angry
    6) Cry and apologize profusely, tell Mutter that you respect her, then go to your room crying

    How old was she, five?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Open Book View Post
    Seriously, you sat next to a guy who was clowning and you had no reaction and could still concentrate of the concert? I hope he was part of the program. If it was an opera or other dramatic program rather than strictly musical and they wanted some audience involvement, I can see (though I don't like) planting people like this in the audience. But not during an instrumental concert.

    I admire your ability to not get distracted, but not everyone is like you. If people are being a visual distraction it's usually a small step to their being an auditory nuisance, too.
    yeah it was I paliaci - they thought it would be cool to have a clown in the audience mucking about

    idiotic really

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    Quote Originally Posted by PlaySalieri View Post
    yeah it was I paliaci - they thought it would be cool to have a clown in the audience mucking about

    idiotic really
    I thought it was Thomas Tallis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bulldog View Post
    Reminds me of my wife. She loves her cellphone. When we are watching tv together, she holds it as if it was a precious piece of art. She gets hundreds of facebook entries every day. I asked her why she receives so many per day - her answer was that she has tons of friends.
    It's nice to have tons of friends. But what the phone does is connect you to your friends continuously. I don't understand why anyone wants that, but obviously some people are much more social than I am.
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