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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveM View Post
    I never suspected from your posts that you were among those who think that a classical music performance -that a lot of people have probably paid a lot to see, especially for a front row seat- is all about you and your stinking cellphone, but now I know. So in your mind, ‘time is change’ means you get to do whatever you want regardless of people around you. Well news flash, the world still works much the way it used to and you can count on your butt being kicked out or being made a fool of if you pull something similar to what that person did to Mutter, just like always.
    Logical fallacy much?

    I'll put you down as "old and in the way."

    There is a difference between someone acting like they are at a rock concert and passively preserving a musical moment as this women was doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eljr View Post
    Listen, this stuff is obvious. People who did not grow up with smart phones nor seat to them don't like them because they represent change. People do not like change. It's makes them uncomfortable. I could ex plain the psychology of this but why bother?
    Err, I go to techno nights all the time where using your phone on the dancefloor to take videos is frowned upon or banned. Some take your phone as you enter and put tape over the camera. So no, this isn't a problem of old people failing to adapt to "change", but about respect for music.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eljr View Post
    Logical fallacy much?

    I'll put you down as "old and in the way."

    There is a difference between someone acting like they are at a rock concert and passively preserving a musical moment as this women was doing.

    My God.
    My iPhone XR, iPhone 6+, iPhone SE, 2 iPad Pros, not to mention the #1 Gen iPad and practically every generation of iTouch says I have no problem with smartphone/tablet technology. The difference between you and I is I know how to and when to control them and myself. I’ll put you down as someone who needs to grow up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eljr View Post
    Logical fallacy much?

    I'll put you down as "old and in the way."

    There is a difference between someone acting like they are at a rock concert and passively preserving a musical moment as this women was doing.

    My God.
    Where is the logical fallacy?

    What is DaveM "in the way" of? Is he impeding some great progress that will benefit the human race?

    What's passive about taking a photo? That's an action, which makes it active. Did you mean "unobtrusive" rather than "passive"? That doesn't matter. When you buy a ticket to an event, you are signing a contract that you will conform to the code of conduct that its organizers want to impose. That includes no photos if that's what they wish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eljr View Post
    With all respect, bulls$#t.

    Shouldn't take pictures? Good grief.


    Advise columns existed way before the smartphone.

    Ignore the people around them? In all my years i have never had strangers in public engage me.

    Listen, this stuff is obvious. People who did not grow up with smart phones nor seat to them don't like them because they represent change. People do not like change. It's makes them uncomfortable. I could ex plain the psychology of this but why bother?

    I feel blessed to live in an age where I have a smart phone at my side. You dont. So be it.
    You're missing the point about advice columns. It's not the column, I'm appalled that the advice seeker thinks there is something seriously wrong with a person who doesn't immediately answer every text they receive, like a trained monkey. As if that's supposed to make them uncaring and insensitive and not a good potential mate. I would find it oppressive to have to answer every text someone sends, every stupid little trifle. The person who expects that is overly clingy and demanding of attention.

    If you were receptive to the people around you, you might have more interactions and you might find some of them to be positive experiences. You can learn some things from the person sitting next to you at a concert. The older they are, the more experience they have, and the more interesting their stories. Some of my best concert experiences were tinged with the memories of conversations with other concertgoers.

    And never mind strangers, what about acquaintances? I belonged to book club. While waiting for everyone to arrive, half the people had their noses buried in their phones, shutting everyone out. Why not spend some time talking to the people in the group, you might develop a new relationship? You can play with the phone any time.

    I, too, feel blessed to live in an age where I have a phone by my side. It's not the phones we don't like, it's certain behaviors that they bring out of people.
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    Reminds me of this hilarious sketch.

    "It's not enough to have a beautiful voice." Maria Callas

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    The person filming Mutter from the front row made the mistake of calling undo attention to herself. The irony is that she probably bought a front row seat just so she could film Mutter but never considered that Mutter would see her and find the filming objectionable as she was performing. That’s how invasive such filming has become and it can be a terrible distraction to the performer when done from the front row and holding up an invasive recording device as Mutter was playing, as if the audience member was perfectly entitled to do so or was perhaps just being unconsciously thoughtless... If someone is going to film, don’t do it from the front row where you can be seen. It’s an intimate act and can bother the performer. It has nothing to do with embracing change, but it has a great deal to do with being socially considerate in a public setting... If I were performing publicly, I would find it a terrible distraction to play with somebody holding up a iPhone from the front row during the entire performance and then maybe have the concern that it will end up on YouTube as well... Mutter is reminding the audience that sometimes filming is not appropriate, though this particular audience member could probably have recorded the sound of the concert easily and unobtrusively without holding up her phone and Mutter probably wouldn’t have noticed anything. But evidently Miss Front Row filmer didn’t do that, though I understand that she did try to apologize, so I’m glad Mutter stopped the concert and spoke out. I can understand her upsetment because filming that close is an intimate act whether one realizes it or not.
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    Don’t do this in any row. Even if the performer can’t see it, it’s a major distraction to audience members, not to mention that one has to hold the phone up above heads in front which means the view of those behind is obstructed by the phone. As to recording the sound: does anyone think that a smart phone is going to record glorious stereo sound that one will treasure forever?
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    She addresses the incident and much more in this great recent interview. Worth a watch I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Larkenfield View Post
    The person filming Mutter from the front row made the mistake of calling undo attention to herself. The irony is that she probably bought a front row seat just so she could film Mutter but never considered that Mutter would see her and find the filming objectionable as she was performing. That’s how invasive such filming has become and it can be a terrible distraction to the performer when done from the front row and holding up an invasive recording device as Mutter was playing, as if the audience member was perfectly entitled to do so or was perhaps just being unconsciously thoughtless... If someone is going to film, don’t do it from the front row where you can be seen. It’s an intimate act and can bother the performer. It has nothing to do with embracing change, but it has a great deal to do with being socially considerate in a public setting... If I were performing publicly, I would find it a terrible distraction to play with somebody holding up a iPhone from the front row during the entire performance and then maybe have the concern that it will end up on YouTube as well... Mutter is reminding the audience that sometimes filming is not appropriate, though this particular audience member could probably have recorded the sound of the concert easily and unobtrusively without holding up her phone and Mutter probably wouldn’t have noticed anything. But evidently Miss Front Row filmer didn’t do that, though I understand that she did try to apologize, so I’m glad Mutter stopped the concert and spoke out. I can understand her upsetment because filming that close is an intimate act whether one realizes it or not.
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    I’m not encouraging the recording of concerts, but there’s a middle ground of tact and consideration to the surrounding audience because some people are going to record the concerts they go to for their own personal and private collection and if it’s sound only it’s not necessarily intrusive. The sound can actually be acceptable from the examples that some have shared online. But holding up a phone in the front row that everyone can see by filming and drawing attention to yourself is not considerate or respectful to the performers. Nevertheless, some are not going stop cold turkey from making a recording if they just have to have it. Just do it untrusively. Still, I do feel it’s unfair to the artists to record their performances without their approval whether some people feel justified in doing so or not, and it can interfere with enjoying the moment at the concert and creating an indelible memory that’s not dependent on anything other than the experience. But to forbid under all circumstances doesn’t work any more; people are addicted to their phones and will always find a way around the restrictions if they want to and there is a way of doing it, if one must, that is not rude or inconsiderate by not holding up the phone and trying to film the concert. I doubt if a hard-nose approach will work that most likely can’t be enforced anyway unless the audience surrenders their cell phones at the door. The audience is learning through experiences like this what is acceptable to the performers, depending on the venue or circumstances. I doubt that most audience members want to upset the artists they are paying a great deal of money to hear and they’re learning what is appropriate and right for the occasion. They’re getting an education. The person at Mutter’s concert went too far but I doubt if she’ll ever do it again from a front row seat. I applaud Mutter’s stand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flamencosketches View Post


    She addresses the incident and much more in this great recent interview. Worth a watch I think.
    She comments on the front row cell phone incident around the 20 minute mark. I applaud her wisdom about creating a memory that’s not dependent on anything other than having the experience itself and not trying to record it. I think what she’s saying is very true. It’s possible to remember the essence of the experience that can stay with one for a lifetime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larkenfield View Post
    I’m not encouraging the recording of concerts, but there’s a middle ground of tact and consideration for the surrounding audience because some people are going to record the concerts they go to for their own personal and private collection and if it’s sound only it’s not necessarily intrusive. The sound can actually be acceptable from the examples that some have shared online. But holding up a phone in the front row that everyone can see by filming and drawing attention to yourself is not considerate or respectful to the performers. But some are not going stop cold turkey from making a recording if they just have to have it. Just do it untrusively. Nevertheless, I do feel it’s unfair to the artist to record their performances without their approval whether some people feel justified in doing so or not, and it can interfere with enjoying the moment at the concert and creating an indelible memory that’s not dependent on anything other than the experience. But to forbid under all circumstances doesn’t work any more; people are addicted to their phones and will always find a way around the restrictions if they want to and there is a way of doing it, if one must, that is not rude or inconsiderate by not holding up the phone and trying to film the concert. I doubt if a hard-nose approach will work that most likely can’t be enforced anyway unless the audience surrenders their cell phones at the door. The audience is learning through experiences like this what is acceptable to the performers depending on the venue or circumstances. I doubt that most audience members want to upset the artists they are paying a great deal of money to hear and they’re learning what is appropriate and right for the circumstances. The person at Mutter’s concert went too far but I doubt if she’ll ever do it again from a front row seat. I applaud Mutter’s stand.
    How does one record unobtrusively using a cellphone in any row (and I’m specifically talking about a classical music concert)? The phone has to be held up to get any kind of video or sound. That means that the bright screen can be seen by people on either side.

    This activity will be even worse the smaller the venue. Can you imagine a bunch of people holding up cellphones at a quartet? The environment of a CM concert is quite different from a rowdy rock/pop concert. Cellphones being held up for recording is not tolerated at any CM concert I’ve gone to. Is it at concerts you go to? Btw, cellphones are not tolerated in movies I go to either.
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    My sentiment is this:

    If you can't keep a goddamn recording/filming cellphone away during a theatre play or a friggin' classical concert, you should never have attented in the first place.

    It is just instinctual social knowledge, like not farting in public or spitting indoors.

    If one is the kind of person not posessing such knowledge, I'm pretty sure one will at least have a suspicion about ones ignorance. Then, before attending such an event, on should give a good thought to the question: ''Am I the kind of person that sould really attend a theatre play or a classical concert?''. Pure and simple, it's got nothing to do with social background or any such.

    Now, I'm aware that there are perfectly good and well-though out arguments aginst such a sentiment in this case. I just don't intend to argue, because I'll just never agree!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveM View Post
    Don’t do this in any row. Even if the performer can’t see it, it’s a major distraction to audience members, not to mention that one has to hold the phone up above heads in front which means the view of those behind is obstructed by the phone.
    I would put it differently. The phone-holder lowered the worth of the seats behind her after other customers already paid for them.

    Unless she discussed a proper compensation with all of them before the concert, she is a thief of their money.
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