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    Cappuccilli I've always thought of as one of the greats with his ability to give a long breath. Just listen to his Boccanegra with Abaddo. I know he's too recent for some but that should not disqualify him. Just enjoy the sound.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonetan View Post
    With all that I've learned in this thread I'd like to attempt to craft the perfect Verdi baritone lol. Anyone care to assist?

    I'm thinking...

    Battistini's artistry

    Ruffo's power

    Cappuccilli's breath control

    Gobbi's acting

    Bastianini's timbre

    Am I close??
    I'd say Urbano or Tibbett's timbre, but yeah I would definitely love to hear that singer. Still, one thing that's nice about no one singer embodying all these different aspects is that we get to hear so many different takes on the same music, and each one brings out a different kind of greatness in their performance.

    Cappuccilli I've always thought of as one of the greats with his ability to give a long breath. Just listen to his Boccanegra with Abaddo. I know he's too recent for some but that should not disqualify him. Just enjoy the sound.
    Except I don't enjoy his sound.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonetan View Post
    With all that I've learned in this thread I'd like to attempt to craft the perfect Verdi baritone lol. Anyone care to assist?

    I'm thinking...

    Battistini's artistry

    Ruffo's power

    Cappuccilli's breath control

    Gobbi's acting

    Bastianini's timbre

    Am I close??
    That's good. Could you give us a demonstration?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vivalagentenuova View Post
    Except I don't enjoy his sound.
    Funny I do! So do a whole lot of other people apparently!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodduck View Post
    That's good. Could you give us a demonstration?
    HAHA! I'm working on it

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    I found this review about an instance in which Ruffo & Battistini were double-booked to be quite interesting...apologies if it has already been posted!

    https://search.proquest.com/openview...holar&cbl=2913

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidA View Post
    Funny I do! So do a whole lot of other people apparently!
    But you advised me to just enjoy the sound instead of focusing on whether or not he's recent (which, the keen observer would note, I said absolutely nothing about in my original comment). Well, forgetting when he's from, I still don't enjoy the sound. So I'm back where I started. I'm glad you enjoy him, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonetan View Post
    With all that I've learned in this thread I'd like to attempt to craft the perfect Verdi baritone lol. Anyone care to assist?

    I'm thinking...

    Battistini's artistry

    Ruffo's power

    Cappuccilli's breath control

    Gobbi's acting

    Bastianini's timbre

    Am I close??
    I’d just go with Pavel Lisitsian.

    But if he were a more interesting interpreter, Robert Merrill would be pretty close to ideal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vivalagentenuova View Post
    But you advised me to just enjoy the sound instead of focusing on whether or not he's recent (which, the keen observer would note, I said absolutely nothing about in my original comment). Well, forgetting when he's from, I still don't enjoy the sound. So I'm back where I started. I'm glad you enjoy him, though.
    Given the choice, I'm not mad about Cappuccilli. It's not exactly a glamorous voice and his interpretations don't exactly burn in my memory...Still, I prefer him vocally to Bruson or Nucci and Boccanegra with Abbado is probably his best work.

    Among his contemporaries, Paskalis was creditable: particularly as Macbeth


    Zancanaro had a richer voice than Cappuccilli along with similar strengths and weaknesses: long-breathed phrasing, native speaker, a bit stiff as an actor


    Manuguerra was an asset in the same repertoire

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    Quote Originally Posted by Revitalized Classics View Post
    Given the choice, I'm not mad about Cappuccilli. It's not exactly a glamorous voice and his interpretations don't exactly burn in my memory...Still, I prefer him vocally to Bruson or Nucci and Boccanegra with Abbado is probably his best work.
    I share your opinion about Cappuccilli. He's serviceable, but not very inspiring - I don't buy recordings because he's in them, but I don't reject them, either.

    And I also share your views about Zancanaro and Manuguerra, and also Nicolae Herlea:




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    Quote Originally Posted by vivalagentenuova View Post
    But you advised me to just enjoy the sound instead of focusing on whether or not he's recent (which, the keen observer would note, I said absolutely nothing about in my original comment). Well, forgetting when he's from, I still don't enjoy the sound. So I'm back where I started. I'm glad you enjoy him, though.
    If you don’t enjoy, you don’t enjoy! I do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wkasimer View Post
    I share your opinion about Cappuccilli. He's serviceable, but not very inspiring - I don't buy recordings because he's in them, but I don't reject them, either.

    And I also share your views about Zancanaro and Manuguerra, and also Nicolae Herlea
    I've listened to Silveri and Valdengo for comparison and their voices are of similar weight but the actual singing is more animated. For a singer with so many virtues, I'm surprised to find rather a lot of his recordings a bit boring.

    Thanks for sharing Herlea: I've not listened to him for a while. His voice is bigger and has more metal, the comparison that came to mind for me was Taddei who was perhaps even more towards a bass-baritone timbre. I'm guessing Herlea could be an exciting performer, I'll check out his records!

    Thanks, David

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    Panerai also had a beautiful voice, and he took good care ot it (I remember him singing Papa Germont in a film when he was about 75). He seems to be a bit underrated, probably because there were a lot of great baritones in that period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sieglinde View Post
    Panerai also had a beautiful voice, and he took good care ot it (I remember him singing Papa Germont in a film when he was about 75). He seems to be a bit underrated, probably because there were a lot of great baritones in that period.
    Panerai was marvellous and he sang a wide repertoire.

    It's difficult to gauge from records but I don't think his voice was quite as large as some of the other singers. Either that or he decided not to force his tone like Bechi or Gobbi sometimes did.

    Subsequently, when it comes to Verdi I'm not sure he performed many of the big parts live e.g. Rigoletto, Macbeth, Boccanegra, Nabucco and Falstaff? I'd be interested if there is more info available.

    He did sing Amonasro and Don Carlos (Forza del Destino) for broadcast (plus other parts in the RAI 1951 broadcasts) and recorded Count di Luna: but not when he was a mature artist, just at the start of his career.

    Otherwise he deferred to Gobbi and Taddei and made his mark as Ford and occasionally as Paolo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Revitalized Classics View Post
    Thanks for sharing Herlea: I've not listened to him for a while. His voice is bigger and has more metal, the comparison that came to mind for me was Taddei who was perhaps even more towards a bass-baritone timbre. I'm guessing Herlea could be an exciting performer, I'll check out his records!
    There are actually a few complete recordings, including Rigoletto, Forza, Traviata, Tosca, and I think Pagliacci, which have appeared on CD on the Vox label. Plus there's a live Met Don Carlo with Rysanek and Corelli.

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