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    The other day I noticed Classic FM's list of "20 best piano concertos ever written." The list is:

    Beethoven’s Piano Concerto No.5
    Rachmaninov’s Piano Concerto No.2
    Grieg’s Piano Concerto in A minor
    Poulenc’s Concerto for Two Pianos and Orchestra
    Shostakovich’s Piano Concerto No.2
    Rachmaninov’s Piano Concerto No.3
    Tchaikovsky’s Piano Concerto No.1
    Mozart’s Piano Concerto No.21
    Chopin’s Piano Concerto No.1 in E minor
    Brahms’ Piano Concerto No.2
    Beethoven’s Fourth Piano Concerto
    Beethoven’s Piano Concerto No.3
    Mozart’s Piano Concerto No.20
    Shostakovich’s The Assault on Beautiful Gorky
    Ravel’s Piano Concerto in G major
    Bartók’s Piano Concerto No. 2
    Rachmaninov’s Rhapsody on a Theme of Paganini
    J.S. Bach’s Keyboard Concerto in D minor
    Haydn’s Concerto No 11 for Keyboard in D major
    Brahms’ Piano Concerto No.1

    Many here will object to the term "best", and some will complain that not all are piano concertos. OK. I assume each of us would change the list at least somewhat to include works we find "better" or more to our liking. I suggest that we replace 5 works with 5 we prefer. Obviously, some will want to completely redo the list. That's fine as well, but I'd like to see the top 5 changes.

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    Here are my changes. I tried to substitute a work from a contemporary or close to contemporary composer.

    Shostakovich’s Piano Concerto No.2 (Shostakovich No. 1)

    I love Shostakovich’s first piano concerto. The trumpet is simply so fun.

    Chopin’s Piano Concerto No.1 in E minor (Hummel No. 3 in B minor)

    I do like Chopin’s concertos, but I’ve never loved them. I think Hummel is generally overlooked as a very fine composer. His 3rd concerto is one of my favorites not just from him but for anyone.

    Shostakovich’s The Assault on Beautiful Gorky (Debussy Fantasy for Piano and Orchestra)

    Shostakovich’s film piece is nice but not in the class of the others. I love Debussy’s piano works including his concerto.

    Rachmaninov’s Rhapsody on a Theme of Paganini (Franck No. 2)

    Although this work is wonderful, it’s another non-concerto. Franck’s Symphonic Variations is listed in the TC Top 100 Keyboard Concerti, but his second piano concerto is not. Still, I simply love the work so I’ll substitute it.

    Haydn’s Concerto No 11 for Keyboard in D major (Mozart No. 24)

    I could substitute several Mozart concertos for many of the works here. But the 24th concerto I think is underrated. It’s probably my second favorite Mozart concerto after the 20th.

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    Craaaazy that there's no Liszt or Prokofiev on this ranking.

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    I’d pull:
    Haydn’s Concerto No 11 for Keyboard in D major
    J.S. Bach’s Keyboard Concerto in D minor
    Poulenc’s Concerto for Two Pianos and Orchestra
    Rachmaninov’s Rhapsody on a Theme of Paganini
    Shostakovich’s The Assault on Beautiful Gorky

    And substitute:
    Mozart’s Piano Concerto No. 23
    Poulenc’s Concert champêtre
    Prokofiev’s Piano Concerto No. 2
    Prokofiev’s Piano Concerto No. 3
    Shostakovich’s Piano Concerto No. 1


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    I would take these out:
    Shostakovich’s The Assault on Beautiful Gorky
    Haydn’s Concerto No 11 for Keyboard in D major
    Brahms’ Piano Concerto No.1
    Rachmaninov’s Rhapsody on a Theme of Paganini
    Beethoven’s Piano Concerto No.5

    And substitute these:
    Bartok Piano Concerto No. 1
    J.S. Bach Concerto in F minor BWV 1056
    Mozart Piano Concerto No. 24
    Prokofiev Piano Concerto No. 2
    Ravel Piano Concerto for the left hand

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    The Gorky's Gotta Go. Replace with Prokofiev No.1
    Replace Chopin with Prokofiev No.2
    Replace Haydn with Prokofiev No. 3
    Change the ordering (another time), but the rest can stay, with several essential additions: Schumann, Hovhaness, more Bartók, more Mozart, the Ravel Left Hand....
    Last edited by Strange Magic; Oct-07-2019 at 21:09.

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    I'd remove:

    Grieg’s Piano Concerto in A minor
    Poulenc’s Concerto for Two Pianos and Orchestra
    Shostakovich’s The Assault on Beautiful Gorky
    Ravel’s Piano Concerto in G major
    Haydn’s Concerto No 11 for Keyboard in D major

    I'd add:

    Liszt 1
    Prokofiev 3
    Chopin 2
    Medtner 2
    Ravel Left Hand

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    Classic FM explicitly said the order was random. The one change I did not make that bothered me was Schumann. I wanted to include that, but I didn't have a good contemporary work to drop.

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    There are only 2 changes I'd make:

    It's ridiculous to have Shosty's Gorky - replace with Schumann's piano concerto.

    Replace the Haydn with Mozart's piano concerto no. 17.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mmsbls View Post
    Classic FM explicitly said the order was random. The one change I did not make that bothered me was Schumann. I wanted to include that, but I didn't have a good contemporary work to drop.
    How could anyone exclude the Schumann especially with exquisite performances such as these that are memorable for all sorts of reasons.


    Last edited by DaveM; Oct-07-2019 at 21:48.

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    I love Shostakovich as much as the next guy, but what is Assault on Beautiful Gorky doing there?

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    Remove

    Beethoven 3rd
    Haydn
    Shostakovich 1
    Shostakovich 2
    Poulenc

    Replace with

    Liszt # 1
    Prokofiev 2
    Mozart 19
    Mozart 25
    Mozart 27

    I'd probably remove more, like remove both Rachmaninov. #3 is better than 2.
    The Grieg hangs on by a thread mostly due to the slow movement.
    I like these three, it's just that I think the Mozart concerti are the pinnacle. I'd replace these three with any Mozart numbered in the twenties that hasn't been covered.
    Last edited by Open Book; Oct-07-2019 at 23:48.
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    Mozart should have 4 concertos in that list

    K466
    K491
    K488
    K503

    arguably more and the above could be swapped by half a dozen others

    the Haydn concerto - nice little work but shouldnt be there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mmsbls View Post
    Here are my changes. I tried to substitute a work from a contemporary or close to contemporary composer.

    Shostakovich’s Piano Concerto No.2 (Shostakovich No. 1)

    I love Shostakovich’s first piano concerto. The trumpet is simply so fun.

    Chopin’s Piano Concerto No.1 in E minor (Hummel No. 3 in B minor)

    I do like Chopin’s concertos, but I’ve never loved them. I think Hummel is generally overlooked as a very fine composer. His 3rd concerto is one of my favorites not just from him but for anyone.

    Shostakovich’s The Assault on Beautiful Gorky (Debussy Fantasy for Piano and Orchestra)

    Shostakovich’s film piece is nice but not in the class of the others. I love Debussy’s piano works including his concerto.

    Rachmaninov’s Rhapsody on a Theme of Paganini (Franck No. 2)

    Although this work is wonderful, it’s another non-concerto. Franck’s Symphonic Variations is listed in the TC Top 100 Keyboard Concerti, but his second piano concerto is not. Still, I simply love the work so I’ll substitute it.

    Haydn’s Concerto No 11 for Keyboard in D major (Mozart No. 24)

    I could substitute several Mozart concertos for many of the works here. But the 24th concerto I think is underrated. It’s probably my second favorite Mozart concerto after the 20th.
    yes it does seem to be - even here on TC - members put Beethoven's c minor PC ahead which seems to me incorrect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PlaySalieri View Post
    Mozart should have 4 concertos in that list

    K466
    K491
    K488
    K503

    arguably more and the above could be swapped by half a dozen others

    the Haydn concerto - nice little work but shouldnt be there.
    Reminds me of when movie critics make Oscar predictions and judgments. They may put each nominee in one of three categories: "will win", "should win" and "shouldn't be there".
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