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    I too can't read or talk and listen at the same time. When I was at school, I could never do my homework with the radio on. If I 'just listen', though, my mind drifts off.

    The best way for me to listen is to sew or clean or draw or make notes on my response to the music. Those things, and especially the last, seem to sharpen my concentration.
    And of course, making notes on anything is invaluable when you have the memory of a Codgerette.

    PS Playing Music during my levee is also very pleasant.
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    Clearly, people vary in their abilities and/or their preferences in their manner of attending to music. It's all good (isn't it?). My focal field may be more narrow than most--I cannot simultaneously attend to interacting with TC on my iPad, and watching something (news?) on The Tube. One or the other will be a blank (Guess!).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodduck View Post
    ...While enjoying the outdoors I leave electronics at home, and frown at those who can't seem to do the same.
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    Complete agreement with you there! When outdoors, Mother Nature supplies the music.
    Aha! An admission that you two are capable of listening to John Cage's 4'33"!
    Last edited by millionrainbows; Oct-12-2019 at 12:57.

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    Quote Originally Posted by millionrainbows View Post
    Aha! An admission that you two are capable of listening to John Cage's 4'33"!
    Question: Who is not capable of listening to John Cage's 4'33"? There exists, however, a much more enigmatic work by Cage but not acknowledged by him. As we recall, performances of 4'33" are bounded by the performer first raising the lid over the piano keys, then, performance finished, the lid is closed. Cage's other, greater work commences when that selfsame performer closes the piano lid, and then ends when he next opens it. The implications are profound.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange Magic View Post
    Question: Who is not capable of listening to John Cage's 4'33"?
    I don't think that question answers itself. I think we can all imagine what it would be like to hear the work, but I'm not sure we all have the patience to actually sit there and listen to a performance. (I'll come clean and admit I've never actually listened to the work.) I sometimes wonder what conversations about Cage would be like if all of the participants talked from experience rather than imagination. It might be much more productive. On the other hand, it might be as tedious as ... I won't say it.

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    Please, no recording during the performance of 4'33". And please turn off all cell phones.
    "The way out is through the door. Why is it that no one will use this method?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange Magic View Post
    Question: Who is not capable of listening to John Cage's 4'33"? There exists, however, a much more enigmatic work by Cage but not acknowledged by him. As we recall, performances of 4'33" are bounded by the performer first raising the lid over the piano keys, then, performance finished, the lid is closed. Cage's other, greater work commences when that selfsame performer closes the piano lid, and then ends when he next opens it. The implications are profound.
    Is this a joke? I don't recall any work like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blancrocher View Post
    I don't think that question answers itself. I think we can all imagine what it would be like to hear the work, but I'm not sure we all have the patience to actually sit there and listen to a performance. (I'll come clean and admit I've never actually listened to the work.) I sometimes wonder what conversations about Cage would be like if all of the participants talked from experience rather than imagination. It might be much more productive. On the other hand, it might be as tedious as ... I won't say it.
    Now, imagine a cloud hovering overhead.
    "The way out is through the door. Why is it that no one will use this method?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by millionrainbows View Post
    Is this a joke? I don't recall any work like that.
    Surely you joke when you ask if my post is a joke!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange Magic View Post
    Surely you joke when you ask if my post is a joke!
    No, I'm a man who takes his 4'33" very seriously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by millionrainbows View Post
    No, I'm a man who takes his 4'33" very seriously.
    Then you will certainly appreciate that other Cage work that occupies the space that is not that occupied by 4'33" but rather occupies the area outside of the Venn diagram circle enclosing the better-known work. The unacknowledged Cage piece is where 4'33" is not.

    The illustration below, from George Gamow's classic One Two Three Infinity, may help in understanding Cage's genius here, in turning 4'33" inside out, as it were, to reveal all that lies outside it and turning that within.

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    Last edited by Strange Magic; Oct-13-2019 at 03:31.

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    Quote Originally Posted by millionrainbows View Post
    Please, no recording during the performance of 4'33". And please turn off all cell phones.
    Such precautions might be wise for the sake of first-time listeners, but for the initiated they would be an attempt to manipulate the work and a negation of the point of it, which is to make us hear WHATEVER occurs in the aural field as music. To experience a phone going off in the next seat as a component of a concert may be possible only for the spiritually advanced. For others, it might be a invitation to multitask: to attend to the performance while committing phonicide.

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    If I didn't listen to music while doing other things I'd have very little time to listen. Cooking, ironing and doing the dishes enable a fairly satisfying listen to familiar works. My drive to work is 35-40 minutes, most of it on country roads requiring little mental effort. With pieces I know already, this enables me to get a lot of enjoyment and lodge the work more firmly in my mind. With new pieces, on Radio 3, for example, it's enough to get a sense of whether I'd want to explore further. If I'm driving somewhere unfamiliar or requiring particular concentration, I can't cope with listening to music.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodduck View Post
    Such precautions might be wise for the sake of first-time listeners, but for the initiated they would be an attempt to manipulate the work and a negation of the point of it, which is to make us hear WHATEVER occurs in the aural field as music. To experience a phone going off in the next seat as a component of a concert may be possible only for the spiritually advanced. For others, it might be a invitation to multitask: to attend to the performance while committing phonicide.
    I suppose this is a sign that "silence," no, not "silence," but the absence of the ubiquitous ringing of cell phones, has become 'obsolete' in this modern world. To mark our era, and this particular 'period' version of 4'33", it must surely contain the sound of cell phones going off, and perhaps the sound of a jet passing overhead.

    A HIP version of 4'33" could contain some of the old-fashioned "silence" that used to be, before the industrial revolution launched a new era of noise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange Magic View Post
    Question: Who is not capable of listening to John Cage's 4'33"? There exists, however, a much more enigmatic work by Cage but not acknowledged by him. As we recall, performances of 4'33" are bounded by the performer first raising the lid over the piano keys, then, performance finished, the lid is closed. Cage's other, greater work commences when that selfsame performer closes the piano lid, and then ends when he next opens it. The implications are profound.
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