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#1 · (Edited)
Post numbers 12 and 13 of this thread have four photos which were inserted by the usual method - Insert image, From computer, browse, etc...

https://www.talkclassical.com/63315-historic-opera-singers-arias.html#post1713172

The photos appear, disappear, and reappear with neither rhyme nor reason. I downloaded replacement images and inserted those within the post and the problem continues - the photos are missing and in their place is the actual name of the thread followed by (name of photo).jpg.

Sometimes some or all of the photos will reappear when refreshing the page; at other times some or all of the photos will once again disappear when refreshing the page.

I've logged on and logged off half a dozen times today, cleared the cache, and the "sometimes they're here - sometimes they're not" routine is repeated.

This doesn't happen anywhere else that I've posted photos - just in the "Historic Opera Singers" thread which I created...

Oddly enough this doesn't seem to be happening to anyone other than me...

I've created hundreds of posts containing four or five photos each with text that has been formatted to within an inch of its life and this has never happened before.

Any help would be greatly appreciated as that thread takes an extraordinary amount of time to prepare and present.

Thank you,

- Duncan
 
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#3 · (Edited)
Thank you for you reply - I can't imagine why I might be the only one who's experiencing this but once again - accept my thanks for being willing to see if the page rendered properly - :tiphat:

If anyone else is willing to click on the link above and see if the images appear I would be grateful.
 
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#4 ·
FWIW, I followed the link and noticed the same effect. Upon first viewing some images appeared, some were reflected by a link which I had to click on in order to see the image. Upon refresh there were more images and less links.
 
#7 · (Edited)
Thanks Art! - There must be some reason why the results are different every time the page is loaded - sometimes there are no photo - refresh : 3 photos - refresh - no photos - refresh - 2 photos etc.

It's the randomness of the appearance of the images that is so maddening - must be something to do with the forum upgrade from one version to the next.

If anyone is willing to try the link above would you also be willing to post which browser you may be using? I don't have much choice (work) in browser selection and thus Microsoft Edge is the only option that I have.
 
#8 ·
Update on the problem mentioned above...

Logged on using Internet Explorer and all of the photos in posts 12 and 13 appear however everyone's avatar disappears and is replaced by the words "username avatar".

Logged off and returned with Microsoft Edge - the avatars appear as they should but the photos in posts 12 and 13 are still in the "now they're here - now they're gone" phase...

This is obviously related to how the page is being rendered by the new vBulletin 5 software transition and thus needs to be addressed by the administrator.
 
#10 · (Edited)
Krummhorn had mentioned that vBulletin 5 was being tested and I thought that perhaps some of the glitches that we've been seeing are the result of trial runs that may be taking place.

Everyone running Chrome can see the images - at this point it appears that only Baron Scarpia and myself are trying to access the page with Microsoft Edge - that is the one consistent that I'm aware of other than that the page wasn't rendered properly in Internet Explorer either.

Based on these numbers (which, honestly, I would never have believed if it weren't for this link) I would probably be better off just switching over...

netmarketshare.com

Browser Share

Chrome
67.11%

Firefox
9.20%

Internet Explorer
7.97%

Edge
5.15%

Safari
3.70%
 
#19 ·
Krummhorn had mentioned that vBulletin 5 was being tested and I thought that perhaps some of the glitches that we've been seeing are the result of trial runs that may be taking place.
We are not testing vBulletin v5 on TC. I think I mentioned being a member of another forum who had switched to v5 recently and it had, and still has, lots of problems.

I am quite certain that, for the time being, we will stay with our current vBulletin version. It's up to Frederik - he has the final say in those matters, since he is the one paying for this site to exist.
 
#12 · (Edited)
Installed Chrome and I experienced the same problems with those two posts 12 and 13 that I did when using Edge and IE - it's strange but every other post loads perfectly except for those two.

So now the tally is Art Rock, Baron Scarpia, and myself who have experienced issues when accessing the thread with Edge.

Off-topic - I wasn't really all that impressed with Chrome - aesthetically it's not nearly as polished as Edge and the fonts are just a nightmare... but to each their own, eh?
 
#13 · (Edited)
I logged off, logged back on, checked the thread and all of the images were there... until I refreshed the page and they went missing.

Then I left that thread and came back to this one and wrote the above... and then I went back to the Historic Opera Singers thread and they were all back... with innocent looks on their faces... as if they hadn't been doing anything at all...

Krummhorn, my good fellow, let's try changing my username and seeing if that helps, eh? :D
 
#16 ·
There are sixteen images within the first 11 posts which never experience the rendering difficulties within posts 12 and 13 and nine images in the last two which again have never experienced a failure to appear.

Both of the posts were created on days in which the server was being temperamental - I would reckon that is the issue - something within each post fails to reliably point to the location within the post which contains the image.... It's either that or my username...
 
#17 ·
I've been running Edge since Windows 10 first appeared. "In the Beginning" it was hit or miss if Edge could open a giving web page. It was clunky and unintuitive. I keep a copy of Chrome for the pages that Edge wouldn't open. Since then, Edge has matured. I never encounter a page it won't open. Either Edge is more intuitive now or I have become accustomed to it.

I can't see why anyone in their right mind would still be using IE. MS stopped updating it years ago and may or may not be patching the worst security holes. If you like Chrome or whatever, more power to you, but remember that Edge is running in the background and using up recourses. However,

Yes I see the missing pictures with Edge.
 
#18 ·
Just spent 30 minutes creating a new post in Historical Opera Singers and once again the photos appear, disappear, and reappear at random. When you log on 3 of the 4 will appear, refresh the page and 2 of the 3 will disappear, refresh the page all three disappear. Log off and then back on, rinse and repeat...
 
#24 · (Edited)
Posts 12 and 13 are still erratic and now posts 39, 40, 41, 42, and 43 are also displaying a variety of results - no photos, partial, and all photos appearing (Note: "all photos appearing happens only once - upon first posting - after that they're more likely to disappear rather than make an appearance.

Microsoft Edge is the browser being used but I installed Chrome and the issues with photos remain. I may have to take a pass on continuing this thread as it takes quite a bit of time to collect the material used, add the graphics, and format the text only to submit the post and find that only text with clickable links exists rather then the embedded photos.

Why this is happening in literally one thread rather than graphics-heavy threads like "Current Listening -Classical" or "Non-Classical Current Listening" is just completely beyond me. Elgar's Ghost successfully posts up to five photos in his listening project posts and they're real beauties - same with Senza Sordino and his work in NCM - I'm puzzled as to why it can be done in those thread repeatedly and yet this one is as temperamental as the singers profiled.
 
#25 ·
Here are my results using Microsoft Edge.

photo - first view - second view after refresh (Y=yes N=no)

#39
1 - Y - Y
2 - Y - Y

#40
1 - Y - Y
2 - Y - Y

#41
1 - Y - Y
2 - Y - Y

#42
1 - Y - Y
2 - N - N
3 - Y - N
4 - N - N
5 - Y - N

#43
1 - N - N
2 - N - N

Curiously, when I print the page, all of the photos appear.
 
#28 ·
How odd, eh? - Thank you, Enthusiast, my friend!

I'm going to install Chrome, create the pages here using that, and then see what the results might be. It's quite obvious that by creating the pages with Edge something is being lost when rendering the page.

Once again, :tiphat:
 
#29 · (Edited)
Update - installed Chrome - no difference whatsoever - images do not appear; refresh - some appear, others disappear; refresh - last five posts in thread do not display photos.

I may have to take a pass on this thread as there are issues here which apparently cannot be resolved. It's a mystery as to why some Chrome users have no difficulties while others such as myself do not notice any improvement.

Update: five minutes later - all photos in all posts appear - I will continue to monitor this situation - hope all works out as I rather enjoy the thread.
 
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#31 ·
I've found the effect is not browser dependent (similar results with Chrome, Safari, etc.) and only happens with images uploaded to TC, and not to external images that are just linked. My suspicion is that the TC server has a load management feature, in which it serves explicit images if it is not busy, but conserves resources by providing a link instead if it is busy at that particular moment.
 
#30 · (Edited)
Whenever I post a YouTube video, I always post the written-out URL link code, as well as imbedding it. That way, in case somebody can't see the imbedded one, they can use the link.

I used to use images from Amazon, but now I use images I have scanned into my computer, as long as I have the CD. That way, the link won't ever disappear, like it might on Amazon. I scan my images at 200 dpi, which is plenty good for these purposes. I can "touch up" the images, too.
 
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#33 ·
It is hard to imagine how the browser used to create the post could be resposible, either the image is uploaded or it isn't. It is possible the the browser used to view the post could have something to do with it. Basically the browser gets the html file which contains links and then it is the browser's responsibility to identify other elements like images and retrieve them. Back in the days of slow dial-up internet it was common to set the browser not to download images automatically. But in view of the fact that I see the effect only on this site, and with all browsers that I have tried, leads me to conclude it is the server that is holding the images back.

I think dependence on load is the most likely explanation. At one moment it could be that there are, by chance, 17 people clicking something and the server is stingy with images, and at the next instant no one is clicking but you and the images come through.

The way around it is to link external images, but of course you then run the risk that those images won't be available indefinitely.
 
#34 ·
Your explanation sounds far more likely than mine but the problem is that this issue never actually occurs anywhere other than in the thread that I created - the images (thousands upon thousands) in "Current Listening" are always there without fail- even the posts with up to five images. I've never seen this effect anywhere else on the forum in any other thread which leads to the inescapable conclusion that they must be doing this on purpose in attempt to drive me out. I'm not entirely certain who "they" are or why "they" want to drive me out but at this stage of the game only paranoia appears to be a valid consideration.
 
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#40 ·
I'd say the bullet proof way to do it is to copy the images to a free image hosting site like flickr and put links into your TC page using the {img}{/img} tag (use square bracket rather than curly bracket for the actual tag).
 
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