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    Quote Originally Posted by Bwv 1080 View Post
    'The three Bs,’ Stravinsky is said to have explained, are Bach, Beethoven and Brown—James Brown.
    Son of a gun. I never knew that. As JB said, "Ain't that a groove?"

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    James brown...our Parliament is bloody useless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bwv 1080 View Post
    “Hal Neely, former president of King Records, the most important label in Afro-American music for more than 20 years, told me that Stravinsky, in response to an interviewer’s question concerning his favourite composers, once replied ‘The three Bs.’ ‘The three Bs,’ Stravinsky is said to have explained, are Bach, Beethoven and Brown—James Brown. According to Neely, Stravinsky went on to say that James Brown should be considered one of the greatest composers of all time, that he was writing truly American music and portraying the American heritage" (p.199, African Rhythm and African Sensibility, John Miller Chernoff, University of Chicago Press, 1979)
    That's a genuinely interesting and informative quote but I'm having quite a bit of difficulty trying to find the original source of the quotation in which Stravinsky actually makes that particular statement whether verbatim or paraphrased.

    Despite having done a fair and conscientious amount of research I can't find any evidence of the interview itself, the name of the interviewer, the date or location of the interview, or a direct ascertainable factual statement made by Stravinsky which would authenticate the veracity of that particular comment regarding Bach, Beethoven, and James Brown. No secondary or even tertiary sources of information for these statements can be found as the result of a reasonable effort to locate such.

    Again, despite having searched diligently and in good faith all that I have discovered thus far are identical sources of verification in which Hal Neely tells John Miller Chernoff that this is what Stravinsky said without Neely actually providing a readily identifiable and thus verifiable source for this statement thus leading to a conclusion which suggests that the anecdote - while certainly entertaining - may actually be apocryphal.

    I would require a primary source of verification (the original interview itself whether written or spoken rather than Neely's unsubstantiated claim) that would in fact adequately corroborate Stravinsky's having made the quotation referenced in order to accept this as a factual statement rather than as an apocryphal narrative.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mollie John View Post
    That's a genuinely interesting and informative quote but I'm having quite a bit of difficulty trying to find the original source of the quote in which Stravinsky actually makes that statement.

    Despite having done a significant amount of research I can't find any evidence of the interview itself, the name of the interviewer, the date or location of the interview, or a direct ascertainable factual statement made by Stravinsky which would authenticate the veracity of that particular comment regarding Bach, Beethoven, and James Brown.

    Despite having searched diligently and in good faith all that I have discovered thus far are identical sources of verification in which Hal Neely tells John Miller Chernoff that this is what Stravinsky said without Neely actually providing a readily identifiable and thus verifiable source for this statement thus leading to a conclusion which suggests that the anecdote - while certainly entertaining - may actually be apocryphal.

    I would require a primary source of verification (the original interview itself whether written or spoken) that would adequately substantiate Stravinsky's having actually made the quotation referenced in order to accept this as a factual statement rather than as an apocryphal one.
    Maybe so - have not seen any more than this either, Igor died in early 1971, so had some time to become familiar

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    The Stravinsky question comes up in this interesting interview but Brown doesn't address it directly in his answer. If Stravinsky ever did mention admiration for Brown I doubt he phrased it with the extreme hyperbole relayed by this interviewer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by starthrower View Post
    The Stravinsky question comes up in this interesting interview but Brown doesn't address it directly in his answer. If Stravinsky ever did mention admiration for Brown I doubt he phrased it with the extreme hyperbole relayed by this interviewer.
    https://www.interviewmagazine.com/mu...in-james-brown
    The phrase "Stravinsky said..." used in the question is drawn from the quote made by Hal Neely and told to John Miller Chernoff.

    The Stravinsky quote in regards to the three B's (Bach, Beethoven, James Brown) cannot conclusively be attributed to Stravinsky by any other verifiable method and thus is to be considered apocryphal.
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    Anyway the phrase ‘three B’s’ sounds too American to come from him. Can you imagine him saying that with his accent?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mollie John View Post

    The Stravinsky quote in regards to the three B's (Bach, Beethoven, James Brown) cannot conclusively be attributed to Stravinsky by any other verifiable method and thus is to be considered apocryphal.
    Not to mention he was more likely to insult other musicians/composers than offer compliments.
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    Interesting thread - I was wondering what the results would have been if James Brown had squared off against Ray Charles in a career-wide catalog v. catalog contest.

    Or James Brown v. Prince in the same format.

    Stevie Wonder v. Marvin Gaye?

    Temptations v. the Four Tops?

    2Pac (Makaveli) v. The Notorious B.I.G.?
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    I never cared for Prince's vocals or lovey dovey sex songs. I don't care how much talent he had. Marvin Gaye is a bit too slick as well. I'll take Stevie Wonder. And I think Michael Franti is a very talented songwriter working today. And he has a great band in Spearhead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Manxfeeder View Post
    ...James Brown started out in soul, but he is usually credited with originating funk.
    You're right, of course. But I think that one could argue that the Meters were just as essential to the creation of funk as James Brown was. it's too bad that they seem to be so overlooked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluecrab View Post
    You're right, of course. But I think that one could argue that the Meters were just as essential to the creation of funk as James Brown was. it's too bad that they seem to be so overlooked.
    I was going to say, there was funk in New Orleans before James Brown. It started in the marching bands.
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    Miles Davis got the funk.
    Last edited by Red Terror; Oct-22-2019 at 19:43.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Terror View Post
    Miles Davis got the funk.
    So What -> Cold Sweat -> Bitches Brew

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    Quote Originally Posted by elgars ghost View Post
    I could probably distil what I really like of JB's studio stuff onto about five discs as most of his albums were pretty spotty, plus he had an irritating penchant for recording new studio versions of older material which were usually inferior

    I think he did that because he was a big Hawkwind fan and they do it all the time.

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