How can I make sense of all of these arbitrary voice-leading rules?

**millionrainbows** · Nov-12-2019, 00:53

Originally Posted by mikeh375

ahhh, but it's solid professional hogwash that's actually true. I'd like to know your direct experience of all this but I suspect that you don't have any apart from, what was it, a year analysing a Beethoven sonata or similar that put you off CP?

You've got a good memory, so something I've said must have impressed you somewhere along the line.

I admire your chutzpah, but if you haven't taken a route through compositional academia (with the aim of entering the profession) and come out at the other end better for it as a composer and then continued with advanced studies, all the while finding out about your musical self and developing because of the study and practice, how do you even think for one minute you can call any of it hogwash?

When music theory teachers who can't play refuse to acknowledge the connection between diminished seventh chords and flat-nine chords, as in late Beethoven's Quartet in F, then it's time for me to start calling myself a "jazzer," and split that scene. Daddy-o.

You don't know, I do because I did it. We can disagree about sooo much more and have sooo much fun, but in this regard, you are wrong. Being confrontational is one thing, but from a base containing some ignorance doesn't seem like a smart move to me.

I recognize and respect your credentials, my friend, but your life is not my life.

**level82rat** · Nov-12-2019, 01:50

Originally Posted by millionrainbows

It wouldn't surprise me if you and EdwardBast were in contact outside of this forum, planning out these little "traps."

I will leave that as an accusation for EdwardBlast to defend since you still did not respond to my first request. Explain, specifically and without ambiguity, what exactly I am guilty of and (if possible) to what purpose I committed this wrong. I will maintain my cordiality and cease insults with the hope that you will respect me enough to answer my question.

**mikeh375** · Nov-12-2019, 12:25

Originally Posted by millionrainbows

When music theory teachers who can't play refuse to acknowledge the connection between diminished seventh chords and flat-nine chords, as in late Beethoven's Quartet in F, then it's time for me to start calling myself a "jazzer," and split that scene. Daddy-o.

LOL, I'm with you there all right. Dim7ths, flattened 9ths....It's all in the bass note and the spelling and voice leading.

Originally Posted by millionrainbows

I recognize and respect your credentials, my friend, but your life is not my life.

No it's not and I hope yours is good. Your life and my life has no bearing on the fact that CP learning can be of great benefit during formative years and beyond. What the student must do is master the principles and apply them laterally, subjectively and with a spirit of adventure if they want to glean any further insight about themselves and the stuff of music from them. Sadly, that doesn't seem to be instilled or recognised too often which is a shame because CP is a great grounding from which to develop one's own methodology. Modernism can be achieved via CP with the right mindset prepared to push boundaries with open, receptive ears, but of course modernism can also be achieved (and probably more effectively), via a different route that ignores CP altogether. Whatever, it's all good, each to their own way - it's all valid.

**EdwardBast** · Nov-12-2019, 13:42

Originally Posted by millionrainbows

It wouldn't surprise me if you and EdwardBast were in contact outside of this forum, planning out these little "traps."

Yeah, must be a conspiracy.

Once again, you have exceeded the word count of every other contributor without adding one bit of pertinent information to the thread. Level82rat and mike 375 have drawn the obvious conclusions about this incessantly recurring behavior without any input from me.

**millionrainbows** · Nov-12-2019, 14:20

Originally Posted by EdwardBast

Yeah, must be a conspiracy.

Once again, you have exceeded the word count of every other contributor without adding one bit of pertinent information to the thread. Level82rat and mike 375 have drawn the obvious conclusions about this incessantly recurring behavior without any input from me.

You have a nice day, too, Ed.

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