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    Default Nos 1-20 - 2020 TC Top 100+ Recommended Operas List

    This thread will have the goal of updating the Talk Classical Top 272 Recommended Operas since five years have passed from the last voting and many new members and opera fans have appeared in this forum. Also, the new load of Opera recordings, especially on Video format, make it an obligation to provide a new list of recommendations

    The goal of the project:

    • The TalkClassical members with a wide variety of interests and experiences can reach a consensus on the top works from a variety of musical forms.
    • This process should lead to some interesting debate and discussion regarding these various specialized areas of music.
    • These lists may be used as reference points for both newcomers and long-time classical listeners to the world of classical music and to specific areas of classical music as defined by these lists.
    • These lists are not definitive or official by any means and please do not interpret them as such.

    It's understandable and respectable the fact that not all of us enjoy lists and polls, but we ask that you refrain from criticisms here in respect for those of us who do.

    Discussion, comments, and questions can all be handled in this thread, where we have been discussing the need and the necessary voting process.

    Requirements for works nominated:

    1. The work must be part of the Operatic tradition. Musicals will not be considered.
    2. Operettas and one-act Operas are both allowed to be nominated.
    3. Cycles of Operas such as Richard Wagner’s Der Ring des Nibelungen and Karlheinz Stockhausen’s Licht are to be voted on as singular works, not by their individual operas. However, for this time, considering the musical and thematic difference between the three operas, and especially the number of spare recordings, Giacomo Puccini’s Il Trittico will be voted in three one-act Operas.
    4. A general consensus will determine any points of ambiguity.

    Voting process:

    To those new to the voting process, we will do a two-step voting process and build up the list 20 works at a time (a list of 10 was used for the 2015 edition). This allows people to continually review works as the project goes along instead of voting for everything in one shot.

    1. First round is the nomination round where people can nominate up to 20 works. The top 10 works from the nomination round become the next 10 works on the list, though their final ordering is determined by the second round.
    2. Second round is the voting round, where people vote for their five favourites of the top 10 works from the first round. This is so that all voters can have input in the final order.

    The scoring method is as follows:

    Nomination round:

    The points are determined by the ranking of each work as it was initially nominated. 25 points for the work in first, 24 for second, 23 for third, and so on with the twentieth work receiving 6. This method is to weigh in both the ranking and the number of times the work was nominated. So, a nominated work that appears first on three lists would beat out a work that is nominated tenth on 7 different lists.

    Voting round:

    The scoring is quite similar for the voting round with the works receiving 7, 6, 5, 4, and 3 points in the respective rank that they are voted in. The last work in the voting round will receive 3 points no matter what, so if a vote has only 3 works listed, than the works will receive 5, 4, and 3 points, respective to their order. Again, the reason behind this method is to create a balance between the number of times the work is nominated and its rank.

    Honourable mentions:

    At the end of the project, we also like to keep a list of honourable mentions containing every work that was nominated but didn't make the final list. Hence in the very last nomination round we give people 30 votes instead of 20 to collect more recommendations. Even if some of your works do not make the final list, your input is valued.

    All participants are welcome to join! Please don't hesitate to ask questions and let the fun begin! Thanks to all the runners of the previous TC Top Recommended lists, especially since this is an adaptation of Faustian’s introduction text.

    Voting round times:

    Since a Western European seems to be running the voting process of a mainly American forum, time zones will be problematic. Voting rounds (1-2 each 10 positions) should go week by week. 1st round from monday to sunday and the second round during weekends. The more advanced the voting process is the more scrict I should get with the timings. In California is Midnight at the time it's 9 o clock in Spain (thus I'm at the office), so votes will be admited in each second round until 00:00 GMT -8, but once that round is finished, it will be impossible to start the next voting round until some time in the European afternoon when votes are collected and published, that is some time in a Monday morning in America.

    To sum up this: 7 days for each 10 positions (5 days roughly for 1st round, 2nd round ended by Far West midnight).



    So far as it has been discussed in the sub-forum, the results of the recommended recordings for each one of the 100 most voted operas won't be shown by opera rank this time, but in order of premiere date. Please voice your mind there if you want and haven't already.
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    In order to spread the word about this important poll, we should give 12 days (1 week + 5 days) to settle the most important round of all, the 1st, which will show the forum's most favourite operas in history.

    Notice that the OP, in this poll and the recordings one, is made to give the first vote always.

    Positions 1-10 - Round 1 ends roughly by Friday 29th, so merry Thanksgiving.

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    1. Verdi – Aida
    2. Wagner – Parsifal
    3. Verdi - Don Carlo
    4. Mussorgky - Boris Godunov
    5. Wagner – Tristan und Isolde
    6. Debussy - Pélléas et Mélisande
    7. Wagner - Der Ring des Nibelungen
    8. Verdi - Simon Boccanegra
    9. Puccini – Turandot
    10. Wagner – Lohengrin
    11. Verdi - La Traviata
    12. Mozart - Die Zauberflöte
    13. R. Strauss – Salome
    14. Verdi - La Forza del Destino
    15. Wagner - Der Fliegende Holländer
    16. Tchaikovsky - Pique Dame
    17. R. Strauss - Elektra
    18. Bartok - Bluebeard's Castle
    19. Puccini - Madama Butterfly
    20. Verdi – Otello

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    1 Wagner - Die Meistersinger von Nürnberg
    2 Bartók - Duke Bluebeard's Castle
    3 Wagner - Tristan und Isolde
    4 Gluck - Orphée et Euridice
    5 Poulenc - Dialogue des Carmélites
    6 Bizet - Carmen
    7 Britten - Peter Grimes
    8 Wagner - Lohengrin
    9 Schoenberg - Moses und Aron
    10 Wagner - Der Ring des Nibelungen
    11 Strauss - Die Frau ohne Schatten
    12 Offenbach - Les Contes d'Hoffmann
    13 Verdi - Macbeth
    14 Weber - Der Freischütz
    15 Strauss - Elektra
    16 Berg - Wozzeck
    17 Verdi - Otello
    18 Britten - Billy Budd
    19 Strauss - Daphne
    20 Verdi - Il Trovatore

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    1. Wagner: Der Ring des Nibelungen
    2. Mozart: Don Giovanni
    3. Bizet: Carmen
    4. Wagner: Tristan und Isolde
    5. Verdi: Aida

    6. Mozart: Le Nozze di Figaro
    7. Verdi: La Traviata
    8. Verdi: Otello
    9. Verdi: Rigoletto
    10. Strauss: Salome

    11. Puccini: Madama Butterfly
    12. Purcell: Dido and Aeneas
    13. Handel: Giulio Cesare
    14. Rossini: Il Barbiere di Siviglia
    15. Strauss: Elekttra

    16. Strauss: Der Rosenkavalier
    17. Puccini: Tosca
    18. Puccini: La Boheme
    19. Mozart: Die Zauberflote
    20. Wagner: Parsifal
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    1. Mozart - Die Zauberflöte
    2. Wagner - Der Ring des Nibelungen
    3. Weber - Der Freischütz
    4. Strauss - Der Rosenkavalier
    5. Handel - Giulio Cesare
    6. Beethoven - Fidelio
    7. Mozart - Marriage of Figaro
    8. Mozart - Così fan tutte
    9. Wagner - Parsifal
    10. Wagner - Tristan und Isolde
    11. Wagner - Der Fliegende Holländer
    12. Berlioz - Les Troyens
    13. Verdi - La Traviata
    14. Verdi - Aida
    15. Mozart - Don Giovanni
    16. Debussy - Pélléas et Mélisande
    17. Wagner - Lohengrin
    18. Mussorgsky - Boris Godunov
    19. Dvorák - Rusalka
    20. Handel - Tamerlano

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    1. Mozart: Le Nozze di Figaro
    2. Glass: Einstein on the Beach
    3. Berg: Wozzeck
    4. Wagner: Tristan und Isolde
    5. Wagner: Der Ring des Nibelungen
    6. Monteverdi: L'Orfeo
    7. Verdi: Otello
    8. Bartók: Bluebeard's Castle
    9. Mozart: Don Giovanni
    10. Mozart: Die Zauberflöte
    11. Debussy: Pelléas et Mélisande
    12. Saariaho: L'Amour de loin
    13. Weber: Der Freischütz
    14. Schoenberg: Moses und Aron
    15. Ligeti: Le Grand Macabre
    16. Messiaen: Saint François d'Assise
    17. Adams: Nixon in China
    18. Vinci: Artaserse
    19. Glass: Akhnaten
    20. Furrer: FAMA

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    1. Puccini: Tosca
    2. Verdi: Aida
    3. Mozart: The Magic Flute
    4. Puccini: Madama Butterfly
    5. Puccini: Suor Angelica
    6. Wagner: Tannhauser
    7. Wagner: Der Ring des Nibelungen
    8. Dvorák: Rusalka
    9. Mozart: Don Giovanni
    10. Monteverdi: L'incoronazione di Poppea
    11. Cavalli: La Calisto
    12. Puccini: Turandot
    13. Verdi: Traviata
    14. Boito: Mefistofele
    15. Rossini: The Barber of Seville
    16. Vivaldi: La fida ninfa
    17. Monteverdi: Il ritorno d'Ulisse in patria
    18. Bartók: Bluebeard’s Castle
    19. Rossini: La Cenerentola
    20. Verdi: Otello

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    1. Wagner - Der Ring des Nibelungen
    2. Puccini - Tosca
    3. Puccini - Madama Butterfly
    4. Wagner - Tristan und Isolde
    5. Wagner - Parsifal
    6. Strauss, R - Salome
    7. Puccini - La Boheme
    8. Debussy - Pelleas et Melisande
    9. Britten - Death in Venice
    10. Britten - Peter Grimes
    11. Wagner - Lohengrin
    12. Gounod - Faust
    13. Boughton - The immortal hour
    14. Mascagni - Cavalleria Rusticana
    15. Leoncavallo - Pagliacci
    16. Wagner - Tannhäuser
    17. d'Albert - Tiefland
    18. Bellini - Norma
    19. Boito - Mefistofele
    20. Donizetti - Lucia di Lammermoor
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    1. Wagner - Der Ring des Nibelungen
    2. Mozart - The Marriage of Figaro
    3. Strauss - Salome
    4. Mozart - The Magic Flute
    5. Wagner - Die Meistersinger von Nurnburg
    6. Puccini - La Bourne
    7. Puccini - Tosca
    8. Puccini - Madama Butterfly
    9. Verdi - La Traviata
    10. Bizet - Carmen
    11. Verdi - Rigoletto
    12. Verdi - Otello
    13. Bellini - Norma
    14. Beethoven - Fidelio
    15. Strauss - Der Rosenkevalier
    16. Verdi - Aida
    17. Monteverdi - L’Orfeo
    18. Wagner - Tristan und Isolde
    19. Puccini - Turandot
    20. Dvorak - Rusalka
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    1. Wagner - Der Ring des Nibelungen
    2. Wagner - Tristan und Isolde
    3. Wagner - Parsifal
    4. Berlioz - Les Troyens
    5. Verdi - Aida
    6. Wagner - Lohengrin
    7. Mozart - The Magic Flute
    8. Verdi - Otello
    9. Beethoven - Fidelio
    10. Debussy - Pélléas et Mélisande
    11. Wagner - Die Meistersinger von Nurnburg
    12. Puccini - Turandot
    13. Verdi - Falstaff
    14. Wagner - Tannhäuser
    15. Borodin - Prince Igor
    16. Delibes - Lakmé
    17. Mussorgsky - Boris Godunov
    18. Wagner - Der Fliegende Holländer
    19. Mozart - The Marriage of Figaro
    20. Tchaikovsky - The Queen of Spades
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    1. Wagner - Der Ring des Nibelungen
    2. Bellini - Beatrice di Tenda
    3. Bellini - I Capuleti e i Montecchi
    4. Verdi - La Traviata
    5. Puccini - Madama Butterfly
    6. Donizetti - Anna Bolena
    7. Tchaikovsky - Iolanta
    8. Rossini - Turco in Italia
    9. Verdi - Don Carlo (or Don Carlos)
    10. Donizetti - L'elisir d'amore
    11. Cherubini - Medea (or Medee)
    12. Wagner - Tannhäuser
    13. Bellini - Norma
    14. Wagner - Parsifal
    15. Rossini - Guglielmo Tell (or Guillaume Tell!)
    16. Puccini - Tosca
    17. Donizetti - Maria Stuarda
    18. Verdi - Macbeth
    19. Verdi - La forza del destino
    20. Strauss - Elektra

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    I have a question.

    Once the first round is over and the first ten are chosen and ranked in order. Can I then nominate one of my choices again if it hasn't made it through? Or are the points rolled over to the next round and if other people nominate it, it might make it into the top ten that time?

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    1. Wagner - Der Ring des Nibelungen
    2. Puccini - Tosca
    3. Wagner - Tristan und Isolde
    4. Puccini - Madama Butterfly
    5. Saint-Saëns - Samson and Delilah
    6. Mussorgsky - Boris Godunov
    7. Wagner - Parsifal
    8. Gounod - Faust
    9. Borodin - Prince Igor
    10. Rimsky-Korsakov - The Legend of the Invisible City of Kitezh and the Maiden Fevroniya
    11. Wagner - Lohengrin
    12. Puccini - Turandot
    13. Glinka - Ruslan and Lyudmila
    14. Verdi - Aida
    15. Purcell - Dido and Aeneas
    16. Smetana - The Bartered Bride
    17. Britten - The Turn of the Screw
    18. Donizetti - L'Elisir d'Amore
    19. Janáček - From the House of the Dead
    20. Bellini - Norma

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    1.) Mozart - Le nozze di Figaro
    2.) Verdi - La traviata
    3.) Mozart - Don Giovanni
    4.) Puccini - Madama Butterfly
    5.) Berlioz - Les Troyens
    6.) Verdi - Don Carlo
    7.) Mozart - Die Zauberflöte
    8.) Puccini - Tosca
    9.) Verdi - Rigoletto
    10.) Verdi - Otello
    11.) Puccini - La bohème
    12.) Debussy - Pelléas et Mélisande
    13.) Verdi - Macbeth
    14.) Donizetti - Lucia di Lammermoor
    15.) Verdi - La forza del destino
    16.) Puccini - Turandot
    17.) Donizetti - L'elisir d'amore
    18.) Verdi - Falstaff
    19.) Rossini - Guillaume Tell
    20.) Bellini -Norma
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