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    Quote Originally Posted by Baritenor View Post
    Arguably the best vocalist of the recording era then?
    The whole record business, it' s a bloody shame.
    “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain

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    What time is the next swan?

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    Quote Originally Posted by norman bates View Post
    I had most of her popular albums, but I don't remember this one. She sets the perfect tone for his song. What a gorgeous voice she had. She sings conversationally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogerx View Post
    The whole record business, it' s a bloody shame.
    Meaning what exactly??

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    Can Eileen Farrell be considered the best vocalist of the recording era since she managed to sing both popular music and opera VERY well?
    no...but she's good enough to where I wouldn't complain if someone else wanted to claim that

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    Quote Originally Posted by BalalaikaBoy View Post
    no...but she's good enough to where I wouldn't complain if someone else wanted to claim that
    And why not ??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Baritenor View Post
    And why not ??
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    She was incredible, & like Balalaika said I would't complain if someone said that she's the best ever, but I don't understand why singing both genres makes her a better singer than someone who stuck to just one...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonetan View Post
    She was incredible, & like Balalaika said I would't complain if someone said that she's the best ever, but I don't understand why singing both genres makes her a better singer than someone who stuck to just one...
    Good point. Was she the best singer in opera? The best in jazz? For me the answer in both cases is no. I suppose that if all else were equal her versatility would be decisive, but I doubt that either operaphiles or jazz fans would agree that all else is equal in their respective genres.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodduck View Post
    Good point. Was she the best singer in opera? The best in jazz? For me the answer in both cases is no. I suppose that if all else were equal her versatility would be decisive, but I doubt that either operaphiles or jazz fans would agree that all else is equal in their respective genres.
    If she were around today she would be one undoubtedly be in the very top rank of Verdi/ Wagner singers, but there are others who stood out more in those respective fields. Correct me if I am wrong, but she only sang Wagner in concert format I believe. That is very different from singing a whole role.If she was a contemporary singer she would rival Goerke as the biggest voice in the world today likely. I would say her performance of the song Blues in the Night is one of the great pop performances of all time, but there are others who were more outstanding in the pop field overall. Just my opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seattleoperafan View Post
    If she were around today she would be one undoubtedly be in the very top rank of Verdi/ Wagner singers, but there are others who stood out more in those respective fields. Correct me if I am wrong, but she only sang Wagner in concert format I believe. That is very different from singing a whole role.If she was a contemporary singer she would rival Goerke as the biggest voice in the world today likely. I would say her performance of the song Blues in the Night is one of the great pop performances of all time, but there are others who were more outstanding in the pop field overall. Just my opinion.
    If only she WERE around today...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baritenor View Post
    And why not ??
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    because Helen Traubel, Elena Obraztsova and Robert Merrill. competition for that one spot is tough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BalalaikaBoy View Post
    because Helen Traubel, Elena Obraztsova and Robert Merrill. competition for that one spot is tough.
    I may have mentioned it already but Helen Traubel was much, much more successful as a popular music singer than Farrell was. She doubled her earnings when she quit opera to sing in nightclubs full time, and she had been the top earner at the Met before she was fired. Farrell might have possibly sold more albums. Traubel even sang on Broadway and in Hollywood musicals. Farrell did sing in a movie but mostly as an opera singer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seattleoperafan View Post
    I may have mentioned it already but Helen Traubel was much, much more successful as a popular music singer than Farrell was. She doubled her earnings when she quit opera to sing in nightclubs full time, and she had been the top earner at the Met before she was fired. Farrell might have possibly sold more albums. Traubel even sang on Broadway and in Hollywood musicals. Farrell did sing in a movie but mostly as an opera singer.

    But was any of them actually better than her?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baritenor View Post
    But was any of them actually better than her?
    I can only reply subjectively. Farrell recorded a lot more popular music than Traubel did and I enjoy her audio recordings more, but Traubel was better known as a live performer of popular music and we have no record of her performances. We do know that she was very very successful in these performances and made piles of cash. Because of her career occurring during the infancy of television, there is actually very scant video record of Traubel singing opera. There is more of a record of her singing in the Hollywood musical she was in. The only movie with Farrell singing had a beautiful actress lip syncing to her singing. It was a good partnership as Farrell had a great voice but was rather a plain Jane to look at. Traubel was a handsome and very elegant woman.

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    Farrell never did it for me. Good voice? Yes. But in opera she was not in her element. Stolid, placid, square.

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