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    Default The motif of seduction in classical music

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    But this constant Slavic sentimentality in Chopin's music - Some people consider it Chopin's strong point and emotional power. But to me, it constantly conjures up images of a man seducing a woman.
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    There's no such thing as too much seduction.
    For quite some time I have been looking around for [classical] pieces of music which evoke the image of seduction. Yet I found very little that would really speak to me, and not be vague---unlike, for example, music that portrays sorrow of an unhappy love, or a happiness of a mutual love, or various sorts of ongoing romances or relationships. These have been nailed a thousand and one times by various classical composers. But what about seduction? What about this one-sided flirt? Does anything come to your mind?
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    Ravel's Bolero....complete with climax.

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    Strauss' Dance of the Seven Veils from Salome is supposed to do that kind of thing.

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    The first thing to come to mind was the Habanera. Second was Afternoon of a Faun.

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    The Berlioz Romeo & Juliet love theme, particularly the sequence starting at 2:00:

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    Bizet - Carmen 'Gypsy Song'
    The ultimate seduction .
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    The Birth of Venus from Respighi's Trittico botticelliano.

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    Suis-je gentille ainsi from Massanet's Manon comes to mind.
    "One man's symphony is another man's earworm." ~ riffing on a R.A.H quote.

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    Although this is something different from what I talked about in that comment..

    13:30

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDi44y5LKl8&t=13m30s

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    Quote Originally Posted by hammeredklavier View Post
    Although this is something different from what I talked about in that comment.
    Thank you. In fact, the entire prelude fits the biill for me due to it's turbulent richness of romantic figures.

    Did you make the video?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeh375 View Post
    Ravel's Bolero....complete with climax.
    Hmph - could put you off sex for life!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fabulin View Post
    Did you make the video?
    No. It was made by Richard Atkinson, who has various classical music analysis videos on his youtube channel

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    I find Borodin very seductive

    He's much more gentlemanly and romantic about it though. Not one-sided, but still overly-seductive. The following piece at 4:50 might sound like love, but for the seduction part it helps if you imagine romantic energy, not love. It's a deep seduction of words and expressions. Forget the impressionist fluff above, this is an intimate conversation that turns into a coaxing dance! 4:50. The kiss is at 5:56
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fabulin View Post
    But what about seduction?
    the Gutrune leitmotive in Der Ring perhaps -



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