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    I will not be commenting on the music itself. I have expressed my displeasure at today’s composers who imitate older styles. So I need not hash that out again. Here are a just a few things I noticed in the first couple of pages.

    Score:

    The piano is placed below the strings.

    The font size for the strings is to be smaller than the piano’s font size.

    There needs to be at least 3 systems per page and minimum 3-4 measures per system so that
    the pianist isn’t turning pages every 4 bars. This means smaller staff and font sizes but you must not have the piano notes too cramped.

    Check out the layout of piano quartet scores at the website: IMSLP

    Rhythm:

    Again, this is only what I saw incorrect for the first few pages. Keep in mind rhythmic notation
    deals with general agreements. There can be execptions for special situations, but in these I’m about to deal with they’re not.

    m. 18 - Cello - The dotted 8th is incorrect. A dotted note usually must be at the start of a beat. The only exception is if the dotted note off the beat fills in the remainder of a single beat. IOW
    a dotted 8th that’s followed by a 16th to give a complete beat can be reversed to be a 16th followed by a dotted 8th so long as those two notes together equal a complete beat. Your dotted 8th goes beyond beat one, thus obscurring the start of beat two. You must get rid of the dot and tie the end of beat 1 into a 16th that is the start of beat two.

    m. 28 - Cello - If you understand what I said about m.18, the same applies here too. The dotted half starts off the beat, so the correct rhythm is to have the pitch “E” on the second half of beat one tie into a half note (beats 2 & 3) and that half note then ties into an 8th at the start of beat four.

    Harmony/Pitches

    Now here is where I know you’re composing by ear and not by knowing well music theory and I first became aware of this when I saw the viola in m.14. I kept asking myself why is Swosh vascillating between the augmented unison of A# and A-natural? I mean all those alternating accidentals makes for awkward reading. And than I just listened. Oh, Swosh has temporarily switch modes from G major to G minor. G minor = having B-flats and E-flats; not the A-sharps and D-sharps of mss. 13-14. One tip-off should have been for you, why are these sharped notes going down rather than up?

    Anyway that’s the extent of my looking. My only other comment is that if you’re composing just for fun and have no intent on sharing your music like this piece with the “world” then really you can ignore what I’ve posted. But otherwise I recommend reading books on notation and obtain a sound knowledge of common practice harmony before sharing.
    "Music in any generation is not what the public thinks of it but what the musicians make of it"....Virgil Thomson

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    I thought the exposition was tighter in form than some of your previous works, going by ear, and not knowing the rules/conventions of the period myself. Not sure about those rests for a whole bar.

    I'd say keep doing what you like, even though I'd avoid imitating the Masters, when they can write 'their' music better than we ever could.
    Last edited by Phil loves classical; Jan-05-2020 at 02:58.
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    Perfect. Just what I needed!! I hope it was a decent imitation at least At this point it is just for fun.

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    And I understand why people dislike the imitation of older styles. It's arrogant of me to assume that I can write like them. I know it probably sickens you and makes you cringe!! But for some juvenile reason, I feel compelled to try to write like it... After most everything I write, I realize how bad it is and desperately want to write something better so as to not stain the great period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swosh View Post
    And I understand why people dislike the imitation of older styles. It's arrogant of me to assume that I can write like them. I know it probably sickens you and makes you cringe!! But for some juvenile reason, I feel compelled to try to write like it... After most everything I write, I realize how bad it is and desperately want to write something better so as to not stain the great period.
    I like these styles, many likes them too, I usually think "imitation of older styles" is only an excuse to ignore the content of the music that was written, since I sometimes also write music in these older style, even today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swosh View Post
    I know it probably sickens you and makes you cringe!!
    No not really. I just believe that composers create to expresses themselves. I just question how one can do that if you sound like someone from 170 years ago. I still urge you to learn more and experiment by letting yourself try something completely different.
    But by the same token, as I said above, if you just are having fun doing what you're doing, you don't have to stop. I gave a touch of the feedback to say if you want the world to take your work seriously you have to improve in certain areas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nardobrown View Post
    I like these styles, many likes them too
    No problem there. It's only when you, the composer, want to be taken seriously in the music world that "imitation" doesn't fly. And the proof of that is being aware of what performers and conductors are choosing to program and record. Show me the living composers that are getting performances of their music that sounds just like Beethoven, Schumann or whoever died long ago.
    Last edited by Vasks; Jan-05-2020 at 04:02.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swosh View Post
    And I understand why people dislike the imitation of older styles. It's arrogant of me to assume that I can write like them. I know it probably sickens you and makes you cringe!! But for some juvenile reason, I feel compelled to try to write like it... After most everything I write, I realize how bad it is and desperately want to write something better so as to not stain the great period.
    I can't speak for others, but I don't think it's arrogance. It's more like our perspective is through a contemporary lens influenced by postmodernism, pop, etc. Personally I think it is more relevant that we write neoclassical music with more up-to-date musical language, rather than imitate period music written with very specific stylistic conventions of its time. It's like denying music its evolution. But I think it's ultimately up to the composer to write whatever he/she wants. If they want to imitate Hildegard de Bingen or anyone.
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    By the way, who is Swosh exactly imitating here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nardobrown View Post
    By the way, who is Swosh exactly imitating here?
    To me, it sounds like Schubert.
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    The whole point is, sounds like Schubert doesn't mean it is Schubert's music, it is swosh's music and that's it. The content of the music is more important, and even if this style is not popular today, what if this style is suddenly labeled as "Retro-classical" in the near future?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nardobrown View Post
    By the way, who is Swosh exactly imitating here?
    Not so much a specific person, but something between 1820-1850.
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    Anyway, nice work.
    Last edited by nardobrown; Jan-05-2020 at 04:51.

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    It's very pleasing to hear, even if it's derivative. I just perform at nursing homes, not sure what your intentions are.

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