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    Quote Originally Posted by Bulldog View Post
    You keep making things up on the fly. Speculation appears to be your specialty.
    I'm thinking out loud, we can figure this whole thing right here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidA View Post
    Now you’re arguing for arguing sake. You might just as well say that Lehar and his Merry Widow helped Adolf invade Poland.

    Of course Alexander could’ve done it without Aristotle. Alexander was a great military leader and a tyrant so when the two come together you get a conqueror
    No, that's not how it works, he was wise because of the many years of philosophy transmitted by Aristotle, this is what made him a great leader.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1996D View Post
    In a way it was Wagner's power than was transmitted through Hitler to the German people, which then allowed them to take over Europe.
    What demented nonsense. There isn't a scrap of evidence for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1996D View Post
    If anything Hitler not talking about it only confirms how important it was to him, so much as to keep it a secret.
    Yeah, some things are just too precious for words...

    What "secret" do you think Hitler was unwilling to reveal? That he was inspired by Wagner's music has never been a secret. It was even just described in OperaChic's post #91. You responded to that post. Did you respond without reading it? Or are you just fishing? Or trying to gaslight us?

    By the way, do you have any actual interest in this thread, or does it just provide an opportunity to pontificate and drop koans?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1996D View Post
    No, that's not how it works, he was wise because of the many years of philosophy transmitted by Aristotle, this is what made him a great leader.
    Sorry mate but you’re putting too much value on philosophy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1996D View Post
    I'm thinking out loud, we can figure this whole thing right here.

    Try thinking quietly for a change!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodduck View Post
    What demented nonsense. There isn't a scrap of evidence for it.
    The evidence is Hitler's poor skills as an artist. There is no creativity or passion showed, which must mean that he was getting it from somewhere else/

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidA View Post
    Sorry mate but you’re putting too much value on philosophy.
    No, philosophy is what unlocks the mind to then act in the real world. The mind is everything, in each and every endeavour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodduck View Post
    Yeah, some things are just too precious for words...

    What "secret" do you think Hitler was unwilling to reveal? That he was inspired by Wagner's music has never been a secret. It was even just described in OperaChic's post #91. You responded to that post. Did you respond without reading it? Or are you just fishing? Or trying to gaslight us?

    By the way, do you have any actual interest in this thread, or does it just provide an opportunity to pontificate and drop koans?
    Wagner has into the occult and the mystical, the whole Nazi movement was. You can rest assured that he didn't write or say everything he thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1996D View Post
    The evidence is Hitler's poor skills as an artist. There is no creativity or passion showed, which must mean that he was getting it from somewhere else/
    No one "gets" creativity and passion from somewhere else. More nonsense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodduck View Post
    No one "gets" creativity and passion from somewhere else. More nonsense.
    When you listen to a piece don't you feel different afterwards? Energized, perhaps changed completely?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1996D View Post
    No, philosophy is what unlocks the mind to then act in the real world. The mind is everything, in each and every endeavour.
    Oh for goodness sake, philosophy is the art of making the obvious seem profound and the simple appear difficult. A philosopher told me that!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1996D View Post
    The evidence is Hitler's poor skills as an artist. There is no creativity or passion showed, which must mean that he was getting it from somewhere else/

    You don't need to be an artist to lead a nation. Thatcher wasn't!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidA View Post
    Try thinking quietly for a change!
    It's on purpose so you can follow and give me what I need.

    I almost have it.

    Quote Originally Posted by DavidA View Post
    Oh for goodness sake, philosophy is the art of making the obvious seem profound and the simple appear difficult. A philosopher told me that!
    Keep thinking that.

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    You don't need to be an artist to lead a nation. Thatcher wasn't!
    That's not the point, the point is that Hitler put a lot of time into his art and it was still bland, that's not a good sign.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1996D View Post
    It's on purpose so you can follow and give me what I need.

    I almost have it.
    Have what????? Purified water from General Ripper's stash?
    "One man's symphony is another man's earworm." ~ riffing on a R.A.H quote.

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