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    Default Nos 81-100+ - 2020 TC Top 100+ Recommended Operas List

    This thread will have the goal of updating the Talk Classical Top 272 Recommended Operas since five years have passed from the last voting and many new members and opera fans have appeared in this forum. Also, the new load of Opera recordings, especially on Video format, make it an obligation to provide a new list of recommendations

    The goal of the project:

    • The TalkClassical members with a wide variety of interests and experiences can reach a consensus on the top works from a variety of musical forms.
    • This process should lead to some interesting debate and discussion regarding these various specialized areas of music.
    • These lists may be used as reference points for both newcomers and long-time classical listeners to the world of classical music and to specific areas of classical music as defined by these lists.
    • These lists are not definitive or official by any means and please do not interpret them as such.

    It's understandable and respectable the fact that not all of us enjoy lists and polls, but we ask that you refrain from criticisms here in respect for those of us who do.

    Discussion, comments, and questions can all be handled in this thread, where we have been discussing the need and the necessary voting process.

    Requirements for works nominated:

    1. The work must be part of the Operatic tradition. Musicals will not be considered.
    2. Operettas and one-act Operas are both allowed to be nominated.
    3. Cycles of Operas such as Richard Wagner’s Der Ring des Nibelungen and Karlheinz Stockhausen’s Licht are to be voted on as singular works, not by their individual operas. However, for this time, considering the musical and thematic difference between the three operas, and especially the number of spare recordings, Giacomo Puccini’s Il Trittico will be voted in three one-act Operas.
    4. A general consensus will determine any points of ambiguity.

    Voting process:

    To those new to the voting process, we will do a two-step voting process and build up the list 20 works at a time (a list of 10 was used for the 2015 edition). This allows people to continually review works as the project goes along instead of voting for everything in one shot.

    1. First round is the nomination round where people can nominate up to 20 works. The top 10 works from the nomination round become the next 10 works on the list, though their final ordering is determined by the second round.
    2. Second round is the voting round, where people vote for their five favourites of the top 10 works from the first round. This is so that all voters can have input in the final order.

    The scoring method is as follows:

    Nomination round:

    The points are determined by the ranking of each work as it was initially nominated. 25 points for the work in first, 24 for second, 23 for third, and so on with the twentieth work receiving 6. This method is to weigh in both the ranking and the number of times the work was nominated. So, a nominated work that appears first on three lists would beat out a work that is nominated tenth on 7 different lists.

    Voting round:

    The scoring is quite similar for the voting round with the works receiving 7, 6, 5, 4, and 3 points in the respective rank that they are voted in. The last work in the voting round will receive 3 points no matter what, so if a vote has only 3 works listed, than the works will receive 5, 4, and 3 points, respective to their order. Again, the reason behind this method is to create a balance between the number of times the work is nominated and its rank.

    Honourable mentions:

    At the end of the project, we also like to keep a list of honourable mentions containing every work that was nominated but didn't make the final list. Hence in the very last nomination round we give people 30 votes instead of 20 to collect more recommendations. Even if some of your works do not make the final list, your input is valued.

    All participants are welcome to join! Please don't hesitate to ask questions and let the fun begin! Thanks to all the runners of the previous TC Top Recommended lists, especially since this is an adaptation of Faustian’s introduction text.

    Voting round times:

    Since a Western European seems to be running the voting process of a mainly American forum, time zones will be problematic. Voting rounds (1-2 each 10 positions) should go week by week. 1st round from monday to sunday and the second round during weekends. The more advanced the voting process is the more scrict I should get with the timings. In California is Midnight at the time it's 9 o clock in Spain (thus I'm at the office), so votes will be admited in each second round until 00:00 PST (GMT -8), but once that round is finished, it will be impossible to start the next voting round until some time in the European afternoon when votes are collected and published, that is some time in a Monday morning in America.

    To sum up this: 7 days for each 10 positions (5 days roughly for 1st round, 2nd round ended by Far West midnight).



    So far as it has been discussed in the sub-forum, the results of the recommended recordings for each one of the 100 most voted operas won't be shown by opera rank this time, but in order of premiere date. Please voice your mind there if you want and haven't already.



    Works already qualified and that you cannot nominate from now on:

    Bartók - Bluebeard's Castle
    Beethoven - Fidelio
    Bellini - I Capuleti e i Montecchi
    Bellini - Norma
    Bellini - La sonnambula
    Berg - Wozzeck
    Berlioz - Les troyens
    Bizet - Carmen
    Boito - Mefistofele
    Britten - Peter Grimes
    Britten - Billy Budd
    Cilea - Adriana Lecouvreur
    Debussy - Pelléas et Mélisande
    Donizetti - La fille du régiment
    Donizetti - L'elisir d'amore
    Donizetti - Lucia di Lammermoor
    Donizetti - Maria Stuarda
    Dvorák - Rusalka
    Gluck - Orfeo ed Euridice
    Giordano - Andrea Chénier
    Gounod - Faust
    Gounod - Roméo et Juliette
    Handel - Giulio Cesare
    Janacek - Jenufa
    Janacek - The Cunning Little Vixen
    Leoncavallo - Pagliacci
    Mascagni - Cavalleria Rusticana
    Mascagni - L'amico Fritz
    Massenet - Werther
    Massenet - Thaïs
    Monteverdi - L'Orfeo
    Mozart - Le Nozze di Figaro
    Mozart - Don Giovanni
    Mozart - Così fan tutte
    Mozart - Die Zauberflöte
    Mussorgky - Boris Godunov
    Mussorgsky - Khovanshchina
    Offenbach - Les Contes d'Hoffmann
    Poulenc - Dialogue des Carmélites
    Puccini - Manon Lescaut
    Puccini - La Bohème
    Puccini - Tosca
    Puccini - Madama Butterfly
    Puccini - La Fanciulla del West
    Puccini - Il tabarro
    Puccini - Suor Angelica
    Puccini - Gianni Schicchi
    Puccini - Turandot
    Rossini - Il Barbiere di Siviglia
    Rossini - La Cenerentola
    Saint-Saëns - Samson et Dalila
    Shostakovich - Lady Macbeth of Mtsensk
    R. Strauss - Salome
    R. Strauss - Elektra
    R. Strauss - Der Rosenkavalier
    R. Strauss - Die Frau ohne Schatten
    Tchaikovsky - Eugene Onegin
    Tchaikovsky - Pique Dame
    Tchaikovsky - Iolanta
    Verdi - Nabucco
    Verdi - Ernani
    Verdi - Macbeth
    Verdi - Il trovatore
    Verdi - Rigoletto
    Verdi - La traviata
    Verdi - Un Ballo in Maschera
    Verdi - La forza del Destino
    Verdi - Don Carlo(s)
    Verdi - Simon Boccanegra
    Verdi - Aida
    Verdi - Otello
    Wagner - Der Fliegende Holländer
    Wagner - Tannhäuser
    Wagner - Lohengrin
    Wagner - Tristan und Isolde
    Wagner - Die Meistersinger von Nürnberg
    Wagner - Der Ring des Nibelungen
    Wagner - Parsifal
    Weber - Der Freischütz



    Nomination Round for Positions 81-90 starts from now (Monday 20th January 00:00 PST) and last roughly until Friday 24th included, being the Voting round the whole weekend as always.

    It is to be decided the method we are going to use precisely for the recommendations outside Top 100, since that the Recordings poll would count until 150.
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    1. Prokofiev - War and Peace
    2. Berlioz - La Damnation de Faust
    3. Massenet - La Navarraise
    4. Verdi - Attila
    5. Tchaikovsky - Mazeppa
    6. Massenet - Manon
    7. Mozart - Idomeneo
    8. Rimsky-Korsakov - The Tsar's bride
    9. Magnard - Guercoeur
    10. Enescu - Oedipe
    11. Rimsky-Korsakov - The Legend of the invisible City of Kitezsh
    12. Massenet – Hérodiade
    13. Rimsky-Korsakov - Sadko
    14. Verdi - I Vespri Siciliani
    15. Mozart - La Clemenza di Tito
    16. Meyerbeer - Le prophète
    17. Rossini - Semiramide
    18. Pfitzner - Palestrina
    19. Meyerbeer - Les Huguenots
    20. Cherubini - Medea / Medée

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    1. Britten - Death in Venice
    2. Boughton - The immortal hour
    3. d'Albert - Tiefland
    4. Chausson - Le roi Arthus
    5. Chabrier - Le roi malgré lui
    6. Alwyn - Miss Julie
    7. Janacek - Káťa Kabanová
    8. Smyth - The Wreckers
    9. Saariaho - L'Amour de loin
    10. Rossini - William Tell
    11. Britten - A Midsummer Night's Dream
    12. Strauss - Ariadne auf Naxos
    13. Schmidt - Notre Dame
    14. Sallinen - The red line
    15. Martinu - Julietta
    16. Nielsen - Maskerade
    17. Nielsen - Saul & David
    18. Novak - The Lantern
    19. Nystroem - Herr Arnes Penningar
    20. Meyerbeer - Les Huguenots
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    1. Menotti - The Consul
    2. The Saint of Bleecker Street
    3. Massenet - Manon
    4. Verdi - I Vespri Siciliani
    5. Janacek - Katya Kabanova
    6. Donizetti - Roberto Devereux
    7. Donizetti - Poliuto
    8. Cilea - L'arlesiana
    9. Weinberg - The Passenger
    10. Verdi - Falstaff
    11. Rossini- Le Comte Ory
    12. Berlioz - La Damnation de Faust
    13. Rossini - Semiramide
    14. Adams - The Death of Klinghoffer
    15.Charpentier- Louise
    16. Ponchielli - La Gioconda
    17. Tchaikovsky - Mazeppa
    18. Giordano - Fedora
    19. Prokofiev - War & Peace
    20. Donizetti - Lucrezia Borgia
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    1. Ponchielli - La Gioconda
    2. Strauss - Ariadne auf Naxos
    3. Verdi - Falstaff
    4. Smetana - The Bartered Bride
    5. Tchaikovsky - Mazeppa
    6. Verdi - Luisa Miller
    7. Giordano - Fedora
    8. Cilea - L'Arlesiana
    9. Boito - Nerone
    10. Mozart - Entfuhrung aus dem Serail
    11. Zandonai - Francesca Da Rimini
    12. Charpentier - Louise
    13. Korngold - Tote Stadt
    14. Glass - Satyagraha
    15. Verdi - I Vespri Siciliano
    16. Mascagni - Iris
    17. Janacek - Makropulos Case
    18. Mozart - Clemenza di Tito
    19. Delibes - Lakme
    20. Catalani - La Wally

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    1) Anna Bolena
    2) Guillaume Tell
    3) Attila
    4) I Puritani
    5) I Vespri siciliani
    6) Prince Igor
    7) Turco in Italia
    8) Italiana in Algeri
    9) Stiffelio
    10) Beatrice di Tenda
    11) Fedora
    12) Medea
    13) Il Pirata
    14) From the House of the Dead
    15) Mazeppa
    16) The Tsar's Bride
    17) Falstaff
    18) Lucrezia Borgia
    19) Don Pasquale
    20) Ariodante

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    1. Flotow - Martha
    2. Lehar - Land des Lachelns
    3. Pergolesi - La Serva Padrona
    4. Monteverdi - Il Ritorno D'Ulisse in Patria
    5. Paisiello - Nina, o sia La pazza per amore
    6. Donizetti - Roberto Devereux
    7. Marschner -Der Vampyr
    8. Handel - Alcina
    9. Saint-Saëns - Henry VIII
    10. Menotti - Globolinks
    11. Donizetti - Anna Bolena
    12. Balfe - Bohemian Girl
    13. Rossini - La Gazza Ladra
    14. Rachmaninoff - The Miserly Knight
    15. Cimarosa - Matrimonio Segreto
    16. Handel - Ariodante
    17. Vinci - Partenope
    18. Vivaldi - Ercole
    19. Dvorak - Dimitrij
    20. Verdi - Aroldo
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    1. Monteverdi - L'incoronazione di Poppea
    2. Cavalli - La Calisto
    3. Vivaldi - La fida ninfa
    4. Monteverdi - Il ritorno d'Ulisse in patria
    5. Cavalli - Eliogabalo
    6. Lachenmann - Das Mädchen mit den Schwefelhölzern
    7. Delibes - Lakme
    8. Stockhausen - Licht
    9. Vivaldi - Bajazed
    10. Korngold - Die tote Stadt
    11. Borodin - Prince Igor
    12. Rossini - La Gazza Ladra
    13. Mozart - The Abduction from the Seraglio
    14. Gluck - Iphigenie en Tauride
    15. Telemann - Germanicus
    16. Rossini - Otello
    17. Handel - Rinaldo
    18. Vivaldi - Teuzzone
    19. Cavalli - Giasone
    20. Pergolesi - L'Olimpiade

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    Default 81-90 positions - Results of Nomination Round

    Nomination round Positions 81-90 is closed. These are the results.

    Nominated Operas close to the Top 10 selected

    040 - 10th position 2 votes, 21 points
    040 - Donizetti - Roberto Devereux 2 votes, 20 points
    038 - Berlioz - La Damnation de Faust
    038 - R. Strauss - Ariadne auf Naxos*
    036 - Cilea - L'Arlesiana
    035 - Ponchielli - La Gioconda
    035 - Borodin - Prince Igor*
    032 - Prokofiev - War and Peace*
    029 - Mozart - Die Entführung aus dem Serail
    029 - Korngold - Die Tote Stadt
    028 - Rimsky-Korsakov - The Tsar's bride
    027 - Rossini - La gazza ladra
    026 - Delibes - Lakmé
    025 - Monteverdi - L'incoronazione di Poppea
    025 - Flotow - Martha
    025 - Charpentier - Louise
    025 - Menotti - The consul
    025 - Britten - Death in Venice
    024 - Cavalli - La Calisto
    024 - Boughton - The immortal hour
    024 - Lehar - Land des Lächelns
    024 - Menotti - The Saint of Bleecker Street
    023 - Vivaldi - La fida ninfa
    023 - Pergolesi - La serva padrona
    023 - Verdi - Stiffelio
    023 - Massenet - La Navarraise
    023 - d'Albert - Tiefland
    022 - Rossini - Semiramide
    022 - Bellini - I puritani
    022 - Smetana - The Bartered Bride
    022 - Chausson - Le roi Arthus
    021 - Cavalli - Eliogabalo
    021 - Paisiello - Nina, o sia La pazza per amore
    021 - Chabrier - Le roi malgré lui
    020 - Cherubini - Medea / Medée
    020 - Verdi - Luisa Miller
    020 - Alwyn - Miss Julie
    020 - Lachenmann - Das Mädchen mit den Schwefelhölzern
    019 - Mozart - Idomeneo
    019 - Mozart - La clemenza di Tito
    019 - Rossini - Il turco in Italia
    019 - Marschner - Der vampyr
    019 - Donizetti - Poliuto
    018 - Handel - Alcina
    018 - Rossini - L'italiana in Algeri
    018 - Smyth - The wreckers
    018 - Stockhausen - Licht
    017 - Vivaldi - Bajazed
    017 - Saint-Saëns - Henry VIII
    017 - Boito - Nerone
    017 - Magnard - Guercoeur
    017 - Saariaho - L'Amour de loin*
    017 - Weinberg - The Passenger
    016 - Handel - Ariodante
    016 - Bellini - Beatrice di Tenda
    016 - Enescu - Oedipe
    016 - Menotti - Help, Help, the Globolinks!
    015 - Rossini - Le Comte Ory
    015 - Rimsky-Korsakov - The Legend of the Invisible City of Kitezh
    015 - Zandonai - Francesca da Rimini
    015 - Britten - A Midsummer Night's Dream

    *belonged to the 20 operas with more nomination points in the previous round, so they supposedly had more chances to get selected in this round than others.

    Top 10 selected Operas

    Monteverdi - Il ritorno d'Ulisse in patria
    Rossini - Guillaume Tell
    Donizetti - Anna Bolena
    Verdi - Attila
    Verdi - I Vespri siciliani
    Verdi - Falstaff
    Massenet - Manon
    Tchaikovsky - Mazeppa
    Giordano - Fedora
    Janacek - Katja Kabanova

    You may vote for your top 5 now from the list above, to decide positions 71-80. Poll closes tomorrow midnight PST.
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    1. Massenet - Manon
    2. Verdi - Attila
    3. Tchaikovsky - Mazeppa
    4. Verdi - I Vespri siciliani
    5. Janacek - Katja Kabanova
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    1. Rossini - Guillaume Tell
    2. Janacek - Katja Kabanova
    3. Donizetti - Anna Bolena
    4. Massenet - Manon
    5. Giordano - Fedora
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    1. Donizetti - Anna Bolena
    2. Monteverdi - Il ritorno d'Ulisse in patria
    3. Rossini - Guillaume Tell

    That's all for me this round.
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    1. Massenet - Manon
    2. Verdi - Falstaff
    3. Janacek - Katya Kabanova
    4. Donizetti - Anna Bolena
    5. Giordano - Fedora

    Shock of shocks: Falstaff actually may not even be in the final? Insanity!

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    1. Verdi - Falstaff
    2. Tchaikovsky - Mazeppa
    3. Giordano - Fedora
    4. Verdi - I Vespri Siciliani
    5. Janacek - Katja Kabanova

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    Quote Originally Posted by nina foresti View Post
    1. Massenet - Manon
    2. Verdi - Falstaff
    3. Janacek - Katya Kabanova
    4. Donizetti - Anna Bolena
    5. Giordano - Fedora

    Shock of shocks: Falstaff actually may not even be in the final? Insanity!
    I find it truly mind-boggling that it there is still a question of it getting on the list!

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