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    Default The Talk Classical Community's Favorite and Most Highly Recommend Works



    The Talk Classical Community's
    Favorite and Most Highly Recommend Works


    Here is a prioritized list of classical music (inclusively defined) recommendations put together by members of the Talk Classical discussion forum and the (now defunct) Amazon.com classical music discussion forum.



    Naturally, these recommendations represent the knowledge and tastes of the people who have helped build it. We do not claim that it is the single, official objective canon of art music!

    However, to the best of our knowledge, nothing else like this exists -- no other list of prioritized recommendations including all genres of classical music, no other list as helpful to an old veteran looking for a surprise as to a newbie just familiarizing herself with the canon.

    Our project is ongoing, and we’d be very happy for you to add your own voice!


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    You can change our list in three ways:

    1. The main way is to participate in the threads with titles like, "The first tier," "The second tier," and so on. You can find them in the polls sub-forum. Usually we have several going on at a time, but in order to avoid confusion, please don't bump the threads that have timed out!

    2. The second way is to add new works to the list. If you want to recommend a work that is not already on our list, just post it in this thread. You can add up to 1 new work per day. All newly added works begin on the lowest tier, but they can move up from there.

    3. Finally, you can move a work that you really love up rather quickly by creating a reference thread for it, such as this thread for Brahms's violin concerto.

    To qualify, your thread has to:



    You can include almost anything else you'd like, such as requests for recommended recordings, analysis of the work, links to reviews or analysis, links to other TC threads about the work or its composer, links to the score on IMSLP, a link to the composer's thread in the guestbook sub-forum here, a youtube video of a performance or a lecture about the work (respecting copyright laws), and so on, as long as the focus remains on the work.

    The second post of the thread will contain a template you can use.

    The goal of the reference threads is to promote the works and help people who aren't already familiar with the works learn about and appreciate them.

    By creating a reference thread, and posting a link to it in this thread (to be sure that I see your thread thread), you can move move a work to a higher tier. Creating a thread for a work on tiers 1-10 will move that work up 1 tier; a thread for a work on tiers 11-20 will move that work up 2 tiers; and so on. (If for some reason you don't want to move it up that many tiers, you can ask me to move it up fewer.)

    You can only create 1 reference thread per day. Also, this can only be done one time for each work! Once a work has a reference thread, that's it!

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    People might disagree with your votes, and you might disagree with theirs, but please be patient and persistent. Your participation will make our list better. We value everyone's participation.

    If you are disappointed that a work you champion is not getting more community support, feel free to advocate for it, telling us why we should support it. Advocacy for a work will always be both more welcome and more productive than advocacy against a work.

    Please be polite. Obviously we have different tastes and we don't all know the same things; we do not all agree about how strongly various works should be recommended, how great or important they are, or anything else.

    The point is to learn from each other and help each other, to have a good time exploring music together.

    Special thanks to Trout, who has maintained this list for years and years, and did a heck of a lot of work compiling recording recommendations, and to mmsbls, who has agreed to edit the posts in our thread when needed.

    (In case it helps, here is an unranked, alphabetical list of the works we’ve recommended.)
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    Here is a template you can use to make reference threads, though of course you can also be more creative if you like. Note that you have to paste in the URLs of the links:

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    [Composer]'s [Title of Work] is currently on the [____] tier of the Talk Classical community's favorite and most highly recommended works.

    Wikipedia has an article about it.

    Trout has compiled a list of recommended recordings for this work:



    The main questions of this thread are: Do you like this work? Do you love it? Why? What do you like about it? Do you have any reservations about it?

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    Currently, here are the open voting threads:



    Since we just created a new 1st tier, the numbers there are all off by one: for example, the 13th tier has become the 14th tier, the 31st tier has become the 32nd tier, and so on - except for the 81st tier, which is accurate.
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    Our votes on the 79th tier (here's the Google sheet with the tally) -- which has become the 80th tier -- selected the following works...

    To move up 2 to the 78th tier:
    Chin: Šu for sheng and orchestra [2009]
    Handel: Judas Maccabaeus, HWV 63 [1746]
    Mendelssohn: String Quartet #4 in E minor, op. 44/2 [1837, rev. 1839]
    Mendelssohn: String Symphonies [1823]
    Schnittke: String Trio [1985] (also arranged for piano trio [1992])
    Varèse: Poème électronique [1968]

    To move up 1 to the 79th tier:
    Arnold: Guitar Concerto, op. 67 [1959]
    Boulanger, L.: Psalm 130 "Du fond de l'abîme" [1917]
    Brahms: Songs (5), op. 105, including "Wie Melodien zieht es mir" and "Immer leiser wird mein Schlummer" [1888]
    Brahms: Songs (4), op. 43, including "Von ewiger Liebe" and "Die Mainacht" [1864]
    Castelnuovo-Tedesco: Guitar Concerto #1 in D, op. 99 [1939]
    Debussy: Chansons de Bilitis, L 90 [1898]
    Dutilleux: Piano Sonata [1948]
    Juon: Rhapsodie (Piano Quartet #1 in D minor), op. 37 [1907]
    Koechlin: String Quartet #1, op. 51 [1913]
    Liszt: Dante Symphony, S.109 [1857]
    Martinů: The Frescoes of Piero della Francesca, H. 352 [1955]
    Monteverdi: Madrigals, Book 3 [1592]
    Prokofiev: The Fiery Angel, op. 37 [1927]
    Raff: Piano Quintet in A minor, op. 107 [1862]
    Schoenberg: Suite for Piano, op. 25 [1923]
    Schumann: Arabeske in C, op. 18 [1839]
    Scriabin: Symphony #1 in E, op. 26 [1900]
    Stravinsky: Requiem Canticles [1966]
    Szymanowski: String Quartet #2, op. 56 [1927]
    Takemitsu: Ran [1985]
    Victoria: Missa O quam gloriosum [1583]

    To remain on the 80th tier:
    Adès: Violin Concerto, op. 24 "Concentric Paths" [2005]
    Andriessen, L.: De Staat (Republic) [1976]
    Andriessen, L.: Hout (Wood) [1991]
    Anonymous, Peruvian: Hanacpachap cussicuinin [c. 1631]
    Anonymous: Coventry Carol [16th cc.]
    Bartók: Dance Suite, Sz. 77 [1923]
    Beethoven: Piano Concerto #2 in B-flat, op. 19 [1795]
    Beethoven: Piano Trio #4 in B-flat, op. 11 "Gassenhauer" [1797]
    Berio: Rendering [1989-90]
    Bull: In Nomine IX [before c. 1612]
    Elgar: Sospiri, op. 70 [1914]
    Fauré: The Dolly Suite, op. 56 [1896]
    Furrer: FAMA [2005]
    Gottschalk: Bamboula, op. 2 [1848]
    Haydn: Symphony #48 in C "Maria Theresia" [1769]
    Haydn: Symphony #64 in A "Tempora mutantur" [1775]
    Kalinnikov: Symphony #1 in G minor [1895]
    Liszt: Harmonies Poétiques et Religieuses, S.173 [1847]
    Moncayo: Huapango [1941]
    Mozart: Piano Sonata #13 in B-flat, K. 333 [1783]
    Rachmaninoff: All-Night Vigil (Vespers), op. 37 [1915]
    Schuman: New England Triptych [1956]
    Schumann: Konzertstück for 4 Horns and Orchestra, op. 86 [1849]
    Wuorinen: Time's Encomium [1969]

    To move down 1 to the 81st tier:
    Paganini: Violin Concerto #2 in B minor, op. 7 "La Campanella" [1826]
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    Penderecki: String Quartet #3 "Leaves of an Unwritten Diary" [2008]
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    This link is better (unless it's now the wrong document?)
    Last edited by soni; Jan-29-2020 at 22:44.

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    Stockhausen: Hymnen [1967]

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    Quote Originally Posted by soni View Post
    This link is better (unless it's now the wrong document?)
    I like it too, and it's the same document, but I'm hoping Google spiders start crawling over the other one because they don't do the Google doc, which is limiting our exposure. It's bizarre - I have a personal site where I made a rough draft of this project a few years ago, and deleted it later, but Google searches still turn it up and not this one.

    If this doesn't work, eventually I'll just make a personal site for this project.
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    Schoenberg: Wind Quintet, op. 26 [1923-4]

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    Our votes on the 69th tier (here's the Google sheet) selected the following works...

    To move up 2 to the 67th tier:
    Bach: Sonatas for Viola da Gamba and Harpsichord, BWV 1027-1029 [1730s-40s]
    Liszt: La lugubre gondola, S.200 [1882]

    To move up 1 to the 68th tier:
    Beethoven: Piano Sonata #3 in C, op. 2/3 [1795]
    Carter: Cello Concerto [2001]
    Carter: Double Concerto for harpsichord and piano with two chamber orchestras [1961]
    Enescu: Oedipe, op. 23 [1931]
    Farrenc: Piano Quintet #1 in A minor, op. 30 [1839]
    Franck: Piano Trio #1 in F-sharp minor, op. 1/1 [1839?]
    Ginastera: Estancia, op. 8; and Four Dances from Estancia, op. 8a [1941]
    Glass: Satyagraha [1979]
    Hummel: Septet #1 in D minor, op. 74 [1816]
    Ligeti: Clocks and Clouds [1973]
    Liszt: Nuages gris (Trübe Wolken), S.199 [1881]
    Mendelssohn: Cello Sonata #2 in D, op. 58 [1842-3]
    Messiaen: Apparition de l'église éternelle [1932]
    Mozart: Piano Sonata #10 in C, K. 330 [1783]
    Nono: Intolleranza 1960 (Intolerance 1960) [1961]
    Palestrina: Missa Assumpta est Maria [by 1594]
    Rachmaninoff: Trio Élégiaque #2 in D minor, op. 9 [1893]
    Rimsky-Korsakov: Symphony #2, op. 9 "Antar" [1868, 1875, 1897]

    To remain on the 69th tier:
    Beppe: Remote Galaxy, op. 81 [c. 2014]
    Cage: Music of Changes [1951]
    Chopin: Rondo à la Krakowiak in F, op. 14 [1828]
    Feldman: String Quartet #2 [1983]
    Feldman: Three Voices [1982]
    Humperdinck: Hänsel und Gretel [1893]
    Ligeti: Viola Sonata [1994]
    Ligeti: Volumina [1966]
    Liszt: 3 Études de Concert, S.144 [1849]
    Lucier: I Am Sitting in a Room [1969]
    Messiaen: Saint François d'Assise [1983]
    Nono: .....sofferte onde serene… [1976]
    Norman: Play [2013]
    Schnittke: Peer Gynt: Epilogue for cello, piano, and tape [1993]
    Stockhausen: Gesang der Jünglinge [1955-6]
    Strauss, J. II: Die Fledermaus [1874]
    Tavener: Song for Athene [1997]

    To move down 1 to the 70th tier:
    Liszt: Grandes études de Paganini, S.141 [1851]
    Pelēcis: Nevertheless [1994]
    Reicha: 36 Fugues [1803]
    Reimann: Lear [1976]
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    Here are the currently open voting threads:



    Some of the numbers are off because the threads were created before we created the new first tier which will receive the winner of the 2nd tier.
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    Greenwood: There Will Be Blood [2007]

    Quite possibly the best film score of the 21st century.

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    Giuliani: Guitar Concerto No. 1 in A major, Op. 30 [1812]
    Mahler, Glass, Beethoven, Vaughan Williams, Wolfe, Liszt, Reich, Bach, Nyman, Schubert

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    Stockhausen: Kontra-Punkte [1953]

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    Carter: Triple Duo [1983]

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