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    I have Solti's (sadly, with Domingo as the Emperor), and Swallisch's with Studer/Kollo et al. Are there other recordings that vie with or surpass these? Thanks!

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    I'm partial to Karl Bohm's 1977 recording.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightHawk View Post
    I have Solti's (sadly, with Domingo as the Emperor), and Swallisch's with Studer/Kollo et al. Are there other recordings that vie with or surpass these? Thanks!
    I have both of these but confess I am yet to listen to either in their entirety. This work doesn't do it for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightHawk View Post
    I have Solti's (sadly, with Domingo as the Emperor), and Swallisch's with Studer/Kollo et al. Are there other recordings that vie with or surpass these? Thanks!
    I like the Solti set for Behrens, and I do like Domingo (whether or not is fits the role of Emperor I don't know).
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    No (the Solti is the best).

    The Sawallisch is weak (as are most of the others I've heard). The best DVD choice is also Solti's, he somehow had an affinity with Strauss and Mozart.

    This is worth listening to:

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    Actually this one is pretty good. Full cast list here. Several releases with different packaging.


    EDIT: Regarding the following post, I checked times on Prestomusic.com:

    Sawallisch: 3 hours 10 minutes
    Solti: 3 hours 14 minutes
    Bohm (above): 2 hours 50 minutes
    Bohm 1955 (next post): 3 hours 16 minutes
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightHawk View Post
    I have Solti's (sadly, with Domingo as the Emperor), and Sawallisch's with Studer/Kollo et al. Are there other recordings that vie with or surpass these? Thanks!
    There are individual assumptions on other recordings that are essential (such as Rysanek's Kaiserin and King's Kaiser), but the Solti and Sawallisch recordings are the only ones that are uncut. The others are cut, some pretty heavily.

    I've always like Bohm's first, early stereo recording on Decca:

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Conte View Post
    No (the Solti is the best).

    The Sawallisch is weak (as are most of the others I've heard). The best DVD choice is also Solti's, he somehow had an affinity with Strauss and Mozart.

    This is worth listening to:

    FROSCH.jpg

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    For me, this is one of the most myriad-minded of operas, which can be approached from many directions and (perhaps) points toward rather than fully attains what it's trying to achieve. Therefore I feel that any one recording can bring out only some of its aspects.

    I enjoy the Solti and Sawallisch CD sets for their completeness, but I find in both a slightly antiseptic, studio-constructed quality. In both cases, I find myself revisiting the DVDs (Solti dir. Goetz Friedrich, Salzburg 1992; Sawallisch dir. Ennosuke Ichikawa, Nagoya 1992) more often than the CDs. Sawallisch's DVD has the more interesting staging, but his Empress (Luana De Vol) has a conspicuous vibrato that may bother some listeners.

    On CD, for more of the lifeblood and spirit of the work, I personally would turn to Keilberth and Böhm. On Keilberth's set I particularly prize Fischer-Dieskau's Barak; I don't say that it's the only, or even the "best," way to play the role, but it's one of those characterizations that--well, let me put it this way: no one who hasn't heard it can appreciate what can be done with the role.

    I go to Böhm's recordings particularly for the sense of real ensemble drama played by a real team, and strangely enough I find this just as much in his 1955 Decca studio set as in his three famous live recordings (1966, with King, Rysanek, Berry, Ludwig, Dalis; 1974, with King, Rysanek, Berry, Ludwig, Hesse; 1977, with King, Rysanek, Berry, Nilsson, Hesse). I would despair of choosing between those three. The 1966 performance has, overall, the greatest freshness & vibrancy of voice, but some of the performances have perceptibly matured by 1974, and 1977 has decidedly the best sound quality (though the introduction of Nilsson may threaten to destabilize a little the beautifully balanced team). I listen to all three about equally. I can't comment on Böhm's first two "complete" recordings (1953 and 1955 Orfeo) or his 1975 recording with Schröder-Feinen.

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    I started a thread on this a couple of years ago here

    I doubt the situation has changed much since then. I note that in my opening statement I was asking for recommendations for a good studio recording. I still haven't got one and I think I can probably live without it.
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    Strauss Frau HvK.jpg

    Of course there is this one with a very special cast though it is heavily cut.

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