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    Default Any recommendation on patriotic RED Soviet music?

    I just discovered the 4th symphony by Lev Knipper, it was stunning.


    Unlike many other Soviet music like Shostakovich's which tells the dark side of the regime, Knipper's symphony was about the bright side, it was red.
    Disregarding the politics, the music is really special and intrigue me. I appreciate the nostalgia, the power and emotion of this kind of music.

    Unfortunately, Knipper is almost forgotten today. I can only find one recording of his 4th symphony and one for the 8th. The other 18 of them are nowhere to be found. I'd love to discover more music of this kind. Especially symphonies and concertos but not songs. Does anyone have suggestions?

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    Shostakovich film scores especially "The Fall of Berlin." His second and third symphonies are labeled patriotic but are in the main agitprop and not very good music.

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    Alexander Arutunian: Cantata of the Motherland (1948)

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    Nothing is as red as Knipper's 4th outside of the repertoir of Alexandrov's Ensemble.
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    Reinhold Glière's ballet The Red Poppy (orig. 1927). A Soviet ship docks in China and the virtuous captain interferes when he witnesses some labourers getting rough treatment by the harbourmaster. A riot ensues etc etc.

    Glière, who was already in his 50s when he wrote the work, was an old-school traditionalist from Russia's Silver Age who had little truck with modernism and so the music is unapologetically late-romantic and easily digestible, but it gets to be fairly thin gruel over the course of over 90 minutes. His conservatism served him well during uncertain times - music such as his was never going to be challenged by the authorities and so he was left unmolested during the era of denunciation and cultural witch-hunts. Perhaps due to the work's length it's best to stick to the orchestral suite which is about 25 minutes long.

    The whole work is available on Naxos, and the suite on Chandos (coupled with his first symphony written way back in 1900).
    '...a violator of his word, a libertine over head and ears in debt and disgrace, a despiser of domestic ties, the companion of gamblers and demireps, a man who has just closed half a century without a single claim on the gratitude of his country or the respect of posterity...' - Leigh Hunt on the Prince Regent (later George IV).

    ὃν οἱ θεοὶ φιλοῦσιν ἀποθνῄσκει νέος [Those whom the gods love die young] - Menander

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    See that:

    Dmitry Kabalevsky: Poem of Struggle, op. 12


    Arkady Mazaev: The Krasnodonians (symphonic poem dedicated to the people of Krasnodon and the Antifascist Youth Guard, who tried to free the city from the Nazis)


    Aram Khachaturian: Ode in Memory of Lenin


    Reinhold Glière: Heroic March for the Buryiat-Mongolian ASSR, Op. 71 (written for socialist party of the Mongolian-Buryiat Republic which was part of the USSR)

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    The East is Red 东方红 1965 Chinese 'song and dance epic'

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    First... work your way through this article -

    Music of the Soviet Union

    Second...

    Go to YouTube...

    Type in "1941 - 1945 Wartime Music Vol " - (Note: it's important to add the "Vol" without an actual number following...

    This is what you'll find -

    https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...ime+music+vol+

    Not all volumes are available - 12 of 18 on YouTube but all 18 are available here -

    https://www.prestomusic.com/classica...=10&view=large

    and apparently they are also available on spotify...



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    Quote Originally Posted by rice View Post
    I just discovered the 4th symphony by Lev Knipper, it was stunning....Unfortunately, Knipper is almost forgotten today.
    Some 30 years ago Olympia was a great source of so much Russian/Soviet music. I picked up as many disks as I could get my hands on - the Knipper 4th among them. Flagrant propoganda indeed. But dang could Knipper write for orchestra. I kept hoping that Dudarova would find a way to record his entire symphonic output. Maybe the rest is really bad, who knows? For now we'll have to settle for what crumbs we got. But 20 symphonies is quite a challenge. I have played the bassoon concerto - it's hard, and a tough nut for audiences.

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    Take a look at:
    • Shostakovich: Ballet "The Golden Age"
    • Shebalin: Dramatic Symphony "Lenin"
    • Myaskovsky: Symphony XII "Collective Farm" & Symphonies XVIII & XIX
    • Kabalevsky: Symphonies I & III
    • Prokofiev: Cantata in Commemoration of the 20th Anniversary of the October Revolution
    • Shaporin: Opera "The Decembrists"
    • Ivan Dzerzhinsky: Opera "Quiet Flows the River Don"
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    Two works by Prokofiev:

    The Opera “Semyon Kotko”

    And Cantata for the 20th Anniversary of the October Revolution (a great piece of music)

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    Semyon Kotko should have met all the requirements. Poor old Prokofiev bent over backwards to give them a Socialist Realism opera but it was ill-starred. Just his luck to write an opera set in 1918 in which a Ukrainian village is menaced by marauding Germans just in time for the 1939 non-aggression pact between the USSR and Nazi Germany to be signed...
    '...a violator of his word, a libertine over head and ears in debt and disgrace, a despiser of domestic ties, the companion of gamblers and demireps, a man who has just closed half a century without a single claim on the gratitude of his country or the respect of posterity...' - Leigh Hunt on the Prince Regent (later George IV).

    ὃν οἱ θεοὶ φιλοῦσιν ἀποθνῄσκει νέος [Those whom the gods love die young] - Menander

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    And the rare and almost utterly unknown (in west) Chinese propaganda works?






    The enormous Long March Symphony, by Shande Ding (or Ding Shande)

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    Dmitri Shostakovich’s Symphony No. 7 Leningrad is actually pretty good piece of music. Although I like his 15 string quartets the most that are not much as red at all.
    Somewhat odd take on soviet propaganda is the fact that all nations were considered equal and living happy in arms of great USSR. So exploring nations folk music was very OK and patriotic. My favourite on this is Estonian composer Veljo Tormis with his choral works based on rune tones of many Finno-Ugric peoples. Obviously nothing "red" about these but not many composers throughout Soviet Union were actually writing propaganda music. More often they manipulated with the title and dedication or the text in order to fit into the frames.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reinmar von zweter View Post
    The enormous Long March Symphony, by Shande Ding (or Ding Shande)
    yes, that is an excellent symphony, though there is a better version on youtube than the Slovak Orchestra
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgcKNuxP0Eo
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxPiz2lW0OI
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5dAfEaf1Sk
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lz_LYIqKTwo
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lwVHh8nTY0

    another favorie Chinese symphony is the Great Wall symphony by Mingxin Du and the Chinese Sights and Sounds by Bao Yuankai

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