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    ^ If that is a nudge to me to get over myself and suggest something then I would choose Zemlinsky's 4th quartet because he is not a composer we have sampled from yet. It is not a work I know but I have been planning to get to know Zemlinsky's quartets. There seem to be many recordings (good news, Merl!) but I think I only have the Lasalle Quartet account so far (and have only listened to that once). I remain very open to other suggestions.

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    Let’s go with the Zemlinsky! Kreisler, no problem; you can choose next week. The only work by this composer that I really know is the Lyric Symphony (wonderful), though I have listened to his 2nd quartet before based on enthusiastic recommendations around the site and remember being unimpressed, but that was before I learned to appreciate more modern music.
    Last edited by Allegro Con Brio; May-31-2021 at 15:33. Reason: Somehow I had the impression that Zemlinsky was Russian! He was not! My bad
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kreisler jr View Post
    Maybe the list with the pieces cover could be made a pinned on read only thread. ..
    This is a great idea, but we would need someone with mod-level access to keep revising the list because we cannot edit posts past a certain time. I could certainly ask though - since this thread is becoming such a staple on the forum and doesn’t seem like it’s going away anytime soon, it would certainly be beneficial to pin the list up in a visible spot!
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    Great choice. I have heard his quartets but do not know them well. The Zemlinsky piece I know best is the Lyric Symphony.

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    I hope I don't find that I hate it! I do enjoy the Lyric Symphony, the Symphonische Gesange, the Mermaid and some songs.
    Last edited by Enthusiast; May-31-2021 at 15:18.

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    Zemlinsky 4th is not a piece I know very well ( but I do have the 1981 Lasalle recording that I've only played once). Nice choice Enthusiast.

    Recordings I've found are:

    Artis
    Brodsky
    LaSalle (1968 / 1981)
    Schoenberg
    Corda
    Escher
    Zemlinsky
    Prazak
    Lark

    Pizzicato Bear appreciates the 2nd movement.

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    Last edited by Merl; May-31-2021 at 19:03.

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    We’ve recieved permission to post the master quartet list as a sticky! We have been offered the choice of either making a new thread (sticky) to post at the top of the Solo and Chamber Music subforum, or add the list into the first post of the current thread (with updates). What would you all prefer? Personally I think the latter might be more accessible but I just want to get a quick sounding of opinion before we decide for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enthusiast View Post
    I hope I don't find that I hate it!
    Impossible, it's a wonderful piece - I even prefer it to the mighty second!

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    I read in a review that Zemlinsky's music is always "teetering on the edge of collapsing musical tonality," which seems to me like a perfect description. There's so much raw emotion in this piece, too, much of it pretty dark. He'd fled Germany by this point, and Alban Berg had just died. (The "suite" format here is a tribute to his Lyric Suite, I believe?)

    In any case, I personally feel that Zemlinsky's quartets are seriously underrated, and I'm very much looking forward to the survey this week!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allegro Con Brio View Post
    We’ve recieved permission to post the master quartet list as a sticky! We have been offered the choice of either making a new thread (sticky) to post at the top of the Solo and Chamber Music subforum, or add the list into the first post of the current thread (with updates). What would you all prefer? Personally I think the latter might be more accessible but I just want to get a quick sounding of opinion before we decide for sure.
    I'm with the later idea too, ACB. It's all in one place then. Great work.
    Last edited by Merl; May-31-2021 at 22:01.

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    AllMusic provides reliably terse and insightful commentaries, and this is no exception:

    The String Quartet No. 4 of Alexander von Zemlinsky was composed in 1936 and dedicated to the memory of Zemlinsky's friend Alban Berg who had died on Christmas Eve 1935. Like Berg's Lyric Suite for string quartet, Zemlinsky's Fourth is a suite of six movements consisting of an alternation of fast and slow tempos. The opening Prelude is marked senza expressione and quotes the main theme of Zemlinsky's second quartet, the theme that is a musical symbol for Zemlinsky himself. The second movement is a brutal rondo Burlesque like the closing movement of Zemlinsky's Third. The third movement is the lyrical heart of the work, a brief but deeply emotional Adagietto. The fourth movement is called Intermezzo, but it is actually the pivotal dramatic moment in the quartet: after energetic and heroic striving, the music seems to expire in the upper air of the violins. The penultimate movement is a Theme and Variations subtitled Barcarole, a comforting and consoling interlude before the fury of the Finale-Doppelfuge (Finale-Double Fugue). Recalling the themes, rhythms, and particularly the frenzied energy of the Burlesque and the Intermezzo in its themes and their working out, the Finale takes the Fourth to a thrilling and terrifying conclusion.
    "If we understood the world, we would realize that there is a logic of harmony underlying its manifold apparent dissonances." - Jean Sibelius

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    Excellent choice! Thanks Enthusiast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allegro Con Brio View Post
    We’ve recieved permission to post the master quartet list as a sticky! We have been offered the choice of either making a new thread (sticky) to post at the top of the Solo and Chamber Music subforum, or add the list into the first post of the current thread (with updates). What would you all prefer? Personally I think the latter might be more accessible but I just want to get a quick sounding of opinion before we decide for sure.
    Thanks ACB. I think the latter as well.

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    I gave this quartet a chance - I listened to the recording by the Schoneberg Quartet.

    I didn't hate it - there were parts that I enjoyed a little - the second movement, and the Adagio. But right now I don't think this one will get the in depth listening I've given to some of the others. Again, I just seem to prefer works from the 19th century and before.

    I've been listening to a lot of Schubert, as well as that Takacs Quartet box set of Beethoven's quartets, and really enjoying them. I'll keep going there.

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    I have added the current list to the first post. For updates, please send them to me by PM and I will add them in.


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