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    When reading this post, I do not find myself a baffled punter in the biscuit-aisle but rather a gourmet in the delicatessen floor of KdW (or Harrods or similar), not opting for something else but never wanting to leave! Another feu d'artifice of wit and insight, Burbage!

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    I had the Erato Quartet's Ermitage disc with the Honegger quartets on my list for ages because it seemed among the overpriced used options the best. I finallly bought it last year or so and was a bit disappointed (by the music) although I had not really known what to expect, I was probably just enticed by the rarity. In any case a welcome occasion to revist these pieces.

    Now relistening to all three and especially the 3rd quartet, I am still somewhat hesitant. All three certainly deserved to be better known but it seems also understandable that they are comparably obscure.
    They have lots of gruff energy but in this department Bartok has set a very high standard. They do not sound "French" to me at all, even the slow mvmt. of the 3rd reminds me more of a Bartok "night music" than of Debussy or Ravel. My favorite is probably the 2nd quartet but the 3rd is also a good piece.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Merl View Post
    Totaly agree, Malx. I hear few major influences at all but a bit of Ives, tbh, but that's very minor. Definitely don't hear much Gallic influence.
    If anything Gallic, perhaps someone like Roussel.

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    Like Knorf, I'd never listened to Honneger's SQ's. It was a real treat! Great choice

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    I listened to a really old French recording and greatly enjoyed the Honegger, too. I sense quite a caustic humour in this music. I think the group was called Jean Lespine or something like that.

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    Was away for a while. Looking forward to catching up with Honegger, who I already like, and Anna's upcoming choice.
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    Starthrower : I just listened to the Ludwig Quartet's performance of Honegger's 3rd and enjoyed it very much. I always enjoy Honegger and should listen to him more frequently. I'm also partial to the Ludwig Quartet because of their excellent recording of Chausson's String Quartet, which is paired with an even better performance of Franck's Piano Quintet (Naxos).

    I have no idea why, but Honegger's music always reminds me of food, trains or travel (Well, I know why I think of trains). I must admit that was the case with the first movement. It has a flavor I enjoy. A Cezanne Still Life brought to life. I enjoyed every bite. There's a hazy, almost impressionistic fusion between French and German, but, as was previously mentioned, there's something serious or earnest going on. It's in the Finale where he hits his stride, and the polyphony and clarity of the last movement might reveal a more Teutonic inspiration. I also like the folksy elements and rhythms which remind me of Bartok. I don't mean to denigrate the music by merely comparing it to other composers. Such comparisons provide a point of reference and save me from writing a post of several pages after analyzing the score in depth. However, this was an enjoyable and unique work of art which I'm very tempted to "add to [my] Cart."

    Another great addition to the list!
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    It's unfortunate that there are so few recordings of these quartets. And I don't believe there's anything currently in print. I don't subscribe to any streaming services so I was glad to find an affordable used copy of the Ludwig CD. I can tell you it sounds a lot better than that YouTube upload. As Merl mentioned, if you enjoyed the quartet no.3, give no.2 a listen as well. It's another strong work. Thanks to everybody for listening and commenting on this little known and neglected quartet. It got a bit of well deserved attention this past week. It's Sunday, so I'm looking forward to the next piece!
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    Enjoyed this week's listen. Terrific second movement. Thanks Starthrower!

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    Annaw has not responded to my PM and may be busy. Hopefully she will be able to come back soon, but for now, if we don’t hear from Annaw by the end of the day, would SearsPoncho be willing to make a short-notice pick? Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allegro Con Brio View Post
    Annaw has not responded to my PM and may be busy. Hopefully she will be able to come back soon, but for now, if we don’t hear from Annaw by the end of the day, would SearsPoncho be willing to make a short-notice pick? Thanks!
    Of course. I've been waiting about 7 months(!). Nevertheless, I'll wait because Anna is a regular contributor and I don't want to step on her toes. But the stagecoach turns into a pumpkin at midnight, U.S. time. If no Anna by then, I'll nominate. If she's a little late and wants to proceed, I'll withdraw my selection and save it for next Sunday. In that event, Merl will get a head start on my choice, which will defeat the purpose of the thread: to drive Merl crazy by giving him too many recordings to listen to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SearsPoncho View Post
    Of course. I've been waiting about 7 months(!). Nevertheless, I'll wait because Anna is a regular contributor and I don't want to step on her toes. But the stagecoach turns into a pumpkin at midnight, U.S. time. If no Anna by then, I'll nominate. If she's a little late and wants to proceed, I'll withdraw my selection and save it for next Sunday. In that event, Merl will get a head start on my choice, which will defeat the purpose of the thread: to drive Merl crazy by giving him too many recordings to listen to.
    I sent Annaw a pm this morning but she hasn't responded yet. SP, you will no doubt choose the SQ with the most number of recordings so I'm expecting a super busy week.

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    Agree about the second movement - that hit me on first listen.

    I listened to all the performance on the Lins provided, but I felt that the Ludwig was the best (to my ears).

    A good choice, thanks Starthrower!

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    Is Anna still in Cambridge, Mass., or did she move to another continent?
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    The Honegger quartets are an example how much better anglo/scando and usually also germano/austro/russo/slavo music is discographically represented than franco/hispano/italo (helveto is usually better, they have lotsa money but maybe they don't completely count Honegger as their own). With all respect to Alwyn, I think Honegger and his quartets are one tier above. And they are considerably harder to find in a decent recording, much less does one have several choices. Kudos to especially British and Scandinavian ensembles and labels but this does not explain why the French are so tardy... (For the Milhaud quartets there is, I think, only ONE complete recording, by the Quatuor Parisii, oop since many years, impossible to find or unaffordable. I understand that these are not easy sells, but neither can be Maxwell Davies or Alwyn or Gubaidulina or Schnittke or Rihm).
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