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    This was my first time hearing anything from Ginastera, and I was really impressed by what I heard so far. Irresistable energy, creative use of rhythm, tempered lyricism, harmonies that sound edgy and creative while still maintaining strong tonal undercurrents. The Latin American Quartet plays brilliantly too. Having two quartets from Latin-American composers in two weeks is something I never would have envisioned happening; there’s just so much music from the 20th century from so many different nations and influenced by so many cultural traditions. This is one that definitely makes me want to come back and study it further.
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    This was interesting to listen to. I likewise had never heard anything from Ginastera. I found the energy and especially the rhythms in the outside movements to be very engaging. I also thought the Latin American Quartet performed this well and it was very well recording. I was glad to have given this a listen. Great recommendation!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allegro Con Brio View Post
    This was my first time hearing anything from Ginastera, and I was really impressed by what I heard so far. Irresistable energy, creative use of rhythm, tempered lyricism, harmonies that sound edgy and creative while still maintaining strong tonal undercurrents. The Latin American Quartet plays brilliantly too.
    I fully concur with all of that, and yes irresistible was very much my experience too! A word I'd also use to describe some of the delightfully unanchored tone clusters (as also mentioned by calvinpv), that drop into the action with such rhythmic and colouristic impact at times. Invigorating stuff!


    Quote Originally Posted by Allegro Con Brio View Post
    there’s just so much music from the 20th century from so many different nations and influenced by so many cultural traditions.
    Indeed. The 20th century seems like such an endless flowering of miraculous musical and artistic diversity, that I feel very glad to have been born when I was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackAdderLXX View Post
    This was interesting to listen to. I likewise had never heard anything from Ginastera. I found the energy and especially the rhythms in the outside movements to be very engaging. I also thought the Latin American Quartet performed this well and it was very well recording. I was glad to have given this a listen. Great recommendation!
    Yeah, I'm with you on this BA70. I've listened a few times (Lyric Quartet, Enso, etc) and find the energy of the outer movements far more compelling than the inner ones, which seem a bit aimless at times. Btw, the Enso recording is definitely the most rewarding of the versions I've played (great recording and fiery accounts). Not one that I'll return to, I doubt, but well worth a listen.
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    Cool, only really know his Guitar Sonata, which is a beast and one of the great works for the instrument


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    Over the last few days I 've been playing catch up - listening to both the Frank quartet and the Ginastera.

    The quartets were the first works I have listened to from these composers - the Ginastera is certainly the more easily accessible of the two in my view with Bartokian influences particularily noticeable in the outer movements. I liked this quartet feeling it is well balanced with the three central movements providing a contrast to the vitality of the first and last.
    The Frank piece is more modern and more episodic in form - it only was after a couple of listens I realised it is based on sections of 'Don Quixote'. At this stage this is the piece of the two that would entice me back to listen more but both were very good.

    As a little add on - isn't it great that both these relatively modern compositons are available in fine recordings from Naxos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malx View Post
    Over the last few days I 've been playing catch up - listening to both the Frank quartet and the Ginastera.

    The quartets were the first works I have listened to from these composers - the Ginastera is certainly the more easily accessible of the two in my view with Bartokian influences particularily noticeable in the outer movements. I liked this quartet feeling it is well balanced with the three central movements providing a contrast to the vitality of the first and last.
    The Frank piece is more modern and more episodic in form - it only was after a couple of listens I realised it is based on sections of 'Don Quixote'. At this stage this is the piece of the two that would entice me back to listen more but both were very good.

    As a little add on - isn't it great that both these relatively modern compositons are available in fine recordings from Naxos.
    Aye, the Naxos-snobs will be tut-tutting in their houses .
    "Oh Geoffrey, you said you'd never bring one of those ghastly white covers into this house"!
    "I know, Penelope, but the music's so good, the cost so competitive and the repertoire is so diverse that I had to have it! Remember when I sold half of my body organs to buy that 2CD Mahler 2nd symphony by the Fujima Philharmonic Orchestra from Exton? That's never going to happen again."
    " Geoffrey, I'm leaving you. I fear you are becoming a vagrant! "
    "... But Penelope... "
    " It's no good pleading, Geoffrey. I knew this would happen. Think of poor Margot and what she had to endure when Simon bought that Brilliant Classics box set. No wonder she left him for Nigel. He's just bought a CPO complete set of Symphonies by a man who once powdered Mozart's wigs. Now that is class! "
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    It's rare that TC posters feel sufficiently courageous to share such intimate details from their home lives.

    I assume Geoffrey is you, Merl? It sniffs of authenticity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knorf View Post
    It's rare that TC posters feel sufficiently courageous to share such intimate details from their home lives.

    I assume Geoffrey is you, Merl? It sniffs of authenticity
    Poor Penelope. Luckily I hid that Tring CD I got from the charity shop.

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    Man...that Penelope is a real jerk...[/norm]
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bwv 1080 View Post
    Cool, only really know his Guitar Sonata, which is a beast and one of the great works for the instrument

    Nice piece!

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    Listening to the Enso Quartet’s rendition of the Ginastera right now. Perhaps not as nuanced as the Latin American Quartet and more harshly recorded, but still wonderful. I’m going to explore more Ginastera once I’m done.

    Posting the weekly reminder a bit early this week since we have a couple more upcoming nominators who have not shown up in a while. DTut has only made one post in this thread when he asked to be added to the list back in May, so unless he miraculously appears by Saturday it looks like we’ll be skipping ahead to MissKittysMom, who has been absent for a couple weeks. If both of those are no-shows, it will go to Malx or BlackAdder - whoever wants to step up! Below is the current schedule, which I’m guessing will be changing soon:

    07/05-07/12: DTut
    07/12-07/19: MissKittysMom
    07/19-07/26: Malx
    07/26-08/02: BlackAdderLXX

    On standby (will be added back to the rotation once they reappear)
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    Vicente (the nice fellow who started this thread and promptly disappeared; I hope he’s alright)

    If we don’t get any more nominators by August 2 we’ll go back to the top of the rotation and figure things out from there. And an updated list of quartets:

    02/23-03/01: Beethoven - String Quartet No. 14 (Vicente)
    03/01-03/08: Britten - String Quartet No. 3 (flamencosketches)
    03/08-03/15: Brahms - String Quartet No. 1 (Allegro Con Brio)
    03/15-03/22: Schubert - String Quartet No. 15 (Enthusiast)
    03/22-03/29: Haydn - String Quartet in G Minor, Op. 20/3 (Mandryka)
    03/29-04/05: Smetana - String Quartet No. 1 "From My Life" (flamencosketches)
    04/05-04/12: Shostakovich - String Quartet No. 4 (Josquin13)
    04/12-04/19: Carter - String Quartet No. 3 (Bwv 1050)
    04/19-04/26: Schnittke - String Quartet No. 2 (Portamento)
    04/26-05/03: Lutosławski - String Quartet (Shosty)

    05/03-05/10: Schumann - String Quartet No. 1 (sbmonty)
    05/10-05/17: Korngold - String Quartet No. 2 (Merl)
    05/17-05/24: Ravel - String Quartet (Eramire156)
    05/24-05/31: Crawford Seeger - String Quartet (Knorf)
    05/31-06/07: Hindemith - String Quartet No. 4 (Simplicissimus)
    06/07-06/14: Kurtág - 6 Moments Musicaux for String Quartet (TurnaboutVox)
    06/14-06/21: Lachenmann - Gran Torso (calvinpv)
    06/21-06/28: Frank - Quijotidas (20centrfuge)
    06/28-07/05: Ginastera - String Quartet No. 2 (Iota)
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    Ginastera:

    I’m determined to write something about every work I listen to on this thread.

    I found this work to be a relatively tough listen. It’s quite a work: visceral, maniacal, tense, skittish, forlorn, like Bartok on acid.

    I like the 3rd movement most!
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    Allegro - send me a PM if you need me to post a selection if others don't show.
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    Hold on, Hold on. I was just waiting for my week to come around. I'd like to suggest Mendelssohn SQ No. 6 in F minor, Op. 80.

    This piece was written shortly after his beloved sister Fannie died. The opening Allegro - Presto is fantastic and rather aggressive compared to the tone of most other of his quartets. This is probably my favorite SQ of any composer.

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