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    Great choice! These are the two recordings I own. Lots of recordings out there to check out. I started listening last night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mandryka View Post
    The horror! The horror! This quartet has everything I don't like about classical music.
    The full range of human emotion, not for you, huh? Or just that you don't want Classical music to express a full range of human emotion? So, just music always expressed in an idealized state, and not, you know, "the real thing"? Just curious.
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    I'm catching up with the Ginastera, which I'd heard before but not for years and years. I think it's a great quartet, and I dearly wish I had picked up the Cuarteto Latinoamericano CD back when it wasn't being listed for hundreds of dollars. Obviously, there is the clear debt to Béla Bartók, but I see that only as a point of reference, since there is a very clear, distinctive personal style at work. The lyrical elements, in particular, to me sound very personal. It is certainly a tour de force for the quartet, and it's a pity more quartets haven't picked it up for the repertoire.

    By the way, I thought the new quartet for the week was supposed to start on Sunday, announced late Saturday, perhaps, and now it seems to have advanced to Thursday? That seems not ideal. But, I guess it doesn't matter. It's my own fault I didn't put on the Ginastera days ago.

    But anyway I love Mendelssohn, and this is a quartet I don't know! That'll be fun. And I, for one, welcome a full range of human emotion in music. Mendelssohn is so-often (incorrectly, imo) typecast as bubbly and light.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knorf View Post
    By the way, I thought the new quartet for the week was supposed to start on Sunday, announced late Saturday, perhaps, and now it seems to have advanced to Thursday? That seems not ideal. But, I guess it doesn't matter. It's my own fault I didn't put on the Ginastera days ago.
    Sorry, yes, that is usually how it goes. The weekly reminder should be on Thursday. From now on we’ll get back on track
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    I did play the Ginastera a couple more times and still enjoy it. If I have a criticism of it it is that it may lack coherence as a single work? The lively two outer movements do not wholly seem to belong with the three middle movements. I must say I think I enjoy the 3rd quartet a little more.

    And now on to Mendelssohn's last quartet.

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    Listening to Henschel right now, and it’s laceratingly intense. I honestly can’t remember hearing quartet playing that had such drive and fire. Brilliant. I certainly count this as a candidate for Mendelssohn’s magnum opus alongside the 3rd symphony and Elijah.

    While we eagerly await Merl’s comprehensive, professionally written surveys, what recordings does everyone have their eye on? I would like to at least sample Talich, Artis, Ebene, and Eroica (which I think is HIP?) Trout’s top recommendation, Leipzig Quartet, seems not to be available on streaming or YouTube, curious considering it’s a DG recording.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allegro Con Brio View Post
    Listening to Henschel right now, and it’s laceratingly intense. I honestly can’t remember hearing quartet playing that had such drive and fire. Brilliant. I certainly count this as a candidate for Mendelssohn’s magnum opus alongside the 3rd symphony and Elijah.

    While we eagerly await Merl’s comprehensive, professionally written surveys, what recordings does everyone have their eye on? I would like to at least sample Talich, Artis, Ebene, and Eroica (which I think is HIP?) Trout’s top recommendation, Leipzig Quartet, seems not to be available on streaming or YouTube, curious considering it’s a DG recording.
    Yes, I’m also finding it intense and brilliant. Definitely need to hear several different performances of this one. The Leipziger Streichquartett is my favorite for Beethoven and I would like to hear them play this Mendelssohn, but I also don’t have them streaming. Now that I’ve heard the Eschers a couple of times I think I’ll try the Guarneris with the notion that they might play the piece quite differently. The Guarneris are my favorite for Mozart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allegro Con Brio View Post
    Listening to Henschel right now, and it’s laceratingly intense. I honestly can’t remember hearing quartet playing that had such drive and fire. Brilliant. I certainly count this as a candidate for Mendelssohn’s magnum opus alongside the 3rd symphony and Elijah.

    While we eagerly await Merl’s comprehensive, professionally written surveys, what recordings does everyone have their eye on? I would like to at least sample Talich, Artis, Ebene, and Eroica (which I think is HIP?) Trout’s top recommendation, Leipzig Quartet, seems not to be available on streaming or YouTube, curious considering it’s a DG recording.
    Oi, ACB! However, you're right, I have a stack of recordings to plough thru and I'll start tomorrow (but I've ruled a few out today).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Merl View Post
    Oi, ACB! However, you're right, I have a stack of recordings to plough thru and I'll start tomorrow (but I've ruled a few out today).
    No pressure Merl, but I know you’ll live up to the task
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    The last of our nominated string quartets that I got a chance to listen to was Lachenmann's Gran Torso. A great deal has been said about this work here which really illuminated it for me.

    I listened to all four recordings available on Spotify (Arditti, Jack, Berner and Stadler Quartets) and although I enjoyed all of them, I thought the JACK Quartet my favourite interpretation. The work itself I really enjoyed - I heard it once before when we were compiling our "Top 200 String Quartets" but at that time it passed me by amongst many other previously unheard works heard in too-quick succession!

    The detailed analysis of the composer's intentions and methods helped greatly - I was again greatly helped to appreciate this quartet by having the Amei Quartet's YouTube available to see as well as hear.

    So now to try to catch up a bit during the week as I'd particularly like to reacquaint myself with the Ginastera work.
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    Emerson, Pacifica, Quatuor Ysaÿe and I'm currently listening to the Henschel Quartet. I feel like I'm starting to get a clue on this quartet. The only one I haven't really cared for so far was Emerson, which struck me as a bit flat and unenthusiastic. I'll probably listen to a few more (pity Leipzig isn't on Amazon) but so far Henschel is probably my favorite. In general I really enjoy how this piece kicks off. You know you're in for some kind of ride right from the jump off. What a great work.
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    I really love these guys. Someone here turned me on to them and I was immediately taken with their work. First of all the engineering on their recordings is incredible. It sounds close mic'ed but without the extraneous noises you can hear many times in that type of recording. They manage to leverage that dynamic range very well, especially in the second movement which in my opinion is the best I've heard in any of these recordings. Their intonation seems close to perfect and their ensemble play is superb. I think this is my favorite I've heard so far, though I also really appreciate the energy the Henschel Quartet puts into the first movement of SQ #6 as well. Anyway, Calidore is worth checking out. They've only got a couple of albums out now, I'm probably going to start collecting them. I easily like them as much as Pavel Haas Quartet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackAdderLXX View Post
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    I really love these guys. Someone here turned me on to them and I was immediately taken with their work. First of all the engineering on their recordings is incredible. It sounds close mic'ed but without the extraneous noises you can hear many times in that type of recording. They manage to leverage that dynamic range very well, especially in the second movement which in my opinion is the best I've heard in any of these recordings. Their intonation seems close to perfect and their ensemble play is superb. I think this is my favorite I've heard so far, though I also really appreciate the energy the Henschel Quartet puts into the first movement of SQ #6 as well. Anyway, Calidore is worth checking out. They've only got a couple of albums out now, I'm probably going to start collecting them. I easily like them as much as Pavel Haas Quartet.
    Ive just been listening to the Calidore and it's made a similar positive impression on me, too. I won't be commenting fully yet as I'll sum up later in the week but yep. Of the ones I've listened to up to now I'd class Tippett, Minetti, Melos, Alcan and Ulbricht as decent but undistinguished guides through this SQ and the New Zealand Quartet as wholly uncompetitive due to the ghastly acoustic and their fairly unimpressive playing. Trout's list is actually starting to look pretty creditable from what I've heard up to now (but there are others)

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