I agree about Schubert's proto-minimalist 9th. None of Schubert's orchestral works really "stands out" for that matter.
As for his masses, they're like weaker versions of Haydn's late 6.
4th symphony - weaker version of Beethoven's 5th and Haydn's Schopfung
5th symphony - weaker version of Mozart's 40th
6th symphony - Haydn's 100th
7th symphony - left in sketches
8th symphony - incomplete
He's the only "great composer" who doesn't get criticized for writing mind-numbing 600+ pieces in one genre.
I mean fking 600+... Please don't tell me they're all unique and distinctive.
I mean look how Bach gets criticized for his cantatas and Vivaldi for his concertos..
Underrated compared to Schubert:
CPE Bach
Hummel
Haydn
Handel
J. A. Hasse
etc
(always ranked lower than Schubert at TC even though far more skilled as composers)
Let's face it. His music is
full of vamps, padding, student-like figurations, I think he would have written 2~3 hour-long symphonies with them if he lived longer.
Interestingly Philip Glass has the same birthday as Schubert and
admires him so much :lol:
I think there's a good reason why Rossini completely disregarded Schubert when he said this:
"The Germans have always been at every time the greatest harmonists and the Italians the greatest melodists. But from the moment that the North produced a Mozart, we of the South were beaten on our own ground, because this man rises above both nations, uniting in himself all the charms of Italian melody and all the profundity of German harmony"
underrated compared to Schubert's orchestral works:
btw, I still remember Jacck's desperate defense of Schubert (which the mods deleted along with eugeneonagain's) in one of the old threads about Schubert's D960. :lol: