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    Quote Originally Posted by 1996D View Post
    Honestly I think the piece is worth it. It also guarantees that people will give it its fair shot and listen to it knowing that they gave something - like going to a premiere.

    It wasn't performed by a computer, it was performed by me, it really is like conducting. The prelude was me getting accustomed to the engineering process and this time I got closer to performing what I wanted.

    That's all it is, I'm a natural composer and now the conducting and engineering part is catching up. It had to be that way, there is no way to get an orchestra of that size, and my music will not be property of the state and its agenda.

    In a way it's an experiment to see if art of this sort can self sustain in the capitalist democracy.
    Get off your high horse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1996D View Post
    Some users here are hostile; might have offended them at some point. I know they'd never pay to listen, and it has indeed kept them away.
    I think in some respects our tastes are similar (I think, I can't say I've paid too much attention to the specifics of the bickering in the threads), so I'd pay if I thought it was worth it. I'm not really impressed, though. Sounds like pseudo-ambience in a video game.

    Hard to say much more than that with the tight lock-down, though. Maybe choose a better 30 second sample?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1996D View Post
    It wasn't performed by a computer, it was performed by me, it really is like conducting.
    No, conducting is being in front of players, real people, and communicating to all visually what the director wants at that given moment.

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    I'm a natural composer
    Please explain what that means. Sounds like BS

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    and now the conducting .....part is catching up.
    Please explain how you "conduct" a synthetic orchestra. Can you catch the attention of the timpanist and indicate that you want him/her to play louder than the notated dynamic marking? Can you cue the oboe to ignore the notated staccato marking and instead play more legato?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1996D View Post
    It had to be that way, there is no way to get an orchestra of that size, and my music will not be property of the state and its agenda.
    Translation = I, 1996D, do not want to compete and try to prove that my music is of a high enough quality that real conductors and players are willing to invest their time and talent to it.
    Last edited by Vasks; Mar-15-2020 at 04:06.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AeolianStrains View Post
    I think in some respects our tastes are similar (I think, I can't say I've paid too much attention to the specifics of the bickering in the threads), so I'd pay if I thought it was worth it. I'm not really impressed, though. Sounds like pseudo-ambience in a video game.

    Hard to say much more than that with the tight lock-down, though. Maybe choose a better 30 second sample?
    The preludes were an experiment, a test of everything, from the website to the engineering to the mastering. There is only one way to try these things, and it was largely a success.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vasks View Post
    Translation = I, 1996D, do not want to compete and try to prove that my music is of a high enough quality that real conductors and players are willing to invest their time and talent to it.
    Classical music today is not sustainable, all orchestras need government money. The plan is to prove commercial success first then bring it to them to be performed.

    Otherwise it's not worth doing.


    Please explain what that means. Sounds like BS
    It means that I'm not familiar with software and learned very quickly as a necessity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrahmsWasAGreatMelodist View Post
    Get off your high horse.
    Didn't mean to come off that way, but this is the reality. If it's not commercially viable after all the releases this year, then that'll show something I really want to see.

    It's fine, the test of time is the only judge of quality and if my music has to be ignored for a time then so be it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1996D View Post
    Didn't mean to come off that way, but this is the reality. If it's not commercially viable after all the releases this year, then that'll show something I really want to see.

    It's fine, the test of time is the only judge of quality and if my music has to be ignored for a time then so be it.
    Cut the crap, it didn't wash before and it certainly wont do you any favours from now on - cut it out for your own sake so you can concentrate on what is important at this stage in your composing life.

    Look David, if you really want to become a good composer of orchestral/art music, you will have to learn your craft, it is that simple. Only in media can "natural" composers get away with thinking they can write for orchestra. Your work lacks the compositional and personal insights gleaned from the sustained and focused practice and technical study needed to attain anything remotely close to your documented aspirations. You are missing that vital self-discovery and fluency that comes from familiarity with the nuts and bolts of music and learning how to handle it and manipulate it well for your own purposes.

    I actually feel sad and have some pity towards you, in spite of your disgraceful and utterly unjustified attitude to me in particular. In a way hearing your work has made me angry with you because you are quite incompetent, amateurish and clumsy in your own work at present and are in no position to judge others work on a technical nor even musical level as a supposed fellow composer imv- you are simply not qualified to make any plausible, objective nor informed assessments on a peer to peer basis that would garner even the slightest respect.

    You do however have the opportunity in your life right now to study and master what you need, there is still time assuming you are young. I recommend you do it before it is too late.
    Only then will you stand a chance of creating something halfway decent in the genre you want to succeed in. A good place to start would be the links I posted a while back in the theory forum, you know, the texts you said you didn't need - well you do, it was instinctively evident to me then and it sure is painfully obvious now....get your head down.

    BTW if your in it for the money alone (not quite the purist you've led us to believe I see, but I suppose God might want a fee too for services rendered), you will need to learn software and mixing/production techniques way beyond what you have at present. You will also need to upgrade your samples and probably your DAW. More hard work to keep you off that high horse and at the coalface instead...you need to get your ears dirty.
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    As before, Dave, I think you're attempting something out of your ability, with the way you're handling the themes and voicing. I think you need to return to your roots (if you're not composing entirely by ear). Forget the Plato and extramusical references. Didn't you imply you have some fugues and exercises?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil loves classical View Post
    As before, Dave, I think you're attempting something out of your ability, with the way you're handling the themes and voicing. I think you need to return to your roots (if you're not composing entirely by ear). Forget the Plato and extramusical references. Didn't you imply you have some fugues and exercises?
    If he has fugues, he should definitely release them, even in computerized form. (Composing and piano-playing are two distinct skills.)

    I wish the fugue was still popular.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeh375 View Post
    Cut the crap, it didn't wash before and it certainly wont do you any favours from now on - cut it out for your own sake so you can concentrate on what is important at this stage in your composing life.

    Look David, if you really want to become a good composer of orchestral/art music, you will have to learn your craft, it is that simple. Only in media can "natural" composers get away with thinking they can write for orchestra. Your work lacks the compositional and personal insights gleaned from the sustained and focused practice and technical study needed to attain anything remotely close to your documented aspirations. You are missing that vital self-discovery and fluency that comes from familiarity with the nuts and bolts of music and learning how to handle it and manipulate it well for your own purposes.

    I actually feel sad and have some pity towards you, in spite of your disgraceful and utterly unjustified attitude to me in particular. In a way hearing your work has made me angry with you because you are quite incompetent, amateurish and clumsy in your own work at present and are in no position to judge others work on a technical nor even musical level as a supposed fellow composer imv- you are simply not qualified to make any plausible, objective nor informed assessments on a peer to peer basis that would garner even the slightest respect.

    You do however have the opportunity in your life right now to study and master what you need, there is still time assuming you are young. I recommend you do it before it is too late.
    Only then will you stand a chance of creating something halfway decent in the genre you want to succeed in. A good place to start would be the links I posted a while back in the theory forum, you know, the texts you said you didn't need - well you do, it was instinctively evident to me then and it sure is painfully obvious now....get your head down.

    BTW if your in it for the money alone (not quite the purist you've led us to believe I see, but I suppose God might want a fee too for services rendered), you will need to learn software and mixing/production techniques way beyond what you have at present. You will also need to upgrade your samples and probably your DAW. More hard work to keep you off that high horse and at the coalface instead...you need to get your ears dirty.
    What have you even listened? I released a couple of tests of the website and production that took me a couple of hours to make to and only now is a serious work on, which is better than anything in you can imaging writing. Coming from such a mediocre composer like yourself I take everything you say with a grain of salt.

    Your music goes nowhere, it has no direction or purpose. You're welcome to keep navel-gazing at your technique

    Sure that'll happen in the future but for now it's fine

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1996D View Post
    What have you even listened? I released a couple of tests of the website and production that took me a couple of hours to make to and only now is a serious work on, which is better than anything in you can imaging writing. Coming from such a mediocre composer like yourself I take everything you say with a grain of salt.

    Your music goes nowhere, it has no direction or purpose. You're welcome to keep navel-gazing at your technique

    Sure that'll happen in the future but for now it's fine
    I can't take you seriously, sorry. I wont be the only one, you'll find out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil loves classical View Post
    As before, Dave, I think you're attempting something out of your ability, with the way you're handling the themes and voicing. I think you need to return to your roots (if you're not composing entirely by ear). Forget the Plato and extramusical references. Didn't you imply you have some fugues and exercises?
    My work is original, everything you hear is with a purpose. You say it's out of my ability but I got the desired effect throughout.

    It's a finished and highly original work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeh375 View Post
    I can't take you seriously, sorry. I wont be the only one, you'll find out.
    I've never taken you seriously, your music is always there as proof.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1996D View Post
    My work is original, everything you hear is with a purpose. You say it's out of my ability but I got the desired effect throughout.

    It's a finished and highly original work.
    I might have missed it before, but what sort of training did you get?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil loves classical View Post
    I might have missed it before, but what sort of training did you get?
    My technique is impeccable, if there are any issue with the music it's with the software and samples. As I said the learning curve has been with producing the music, and I'll admit I'm a baby in the engineering world.

    Will a professional orchestra be able to perform the work better? Of course.

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