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    I made a simple melody in FL studio that was in C Major. The melody consisted of two phrases both of which started on D. The only difference between the two is the second phrase ended on C (the tonic of C major). The only problem is, it didn’t feel resolved ending on the tonic like I thought it would. When I changed the last note of the tonic to a D it sounded resolved even though D is not the tonic of C Major. After looking further into it, I realized that all the notes I used were also in D Dorian as well as C Major. So, my question is what defines a melody as being in a certain key to the listener? What makes the listener want to hear notes in a certain scale within a melody or resolve on the tonic of a certain scale?

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    This is really the same thread as the other one you just started. Why is the tonic so important for melodies? It would be better to keep the discussion in one place. You should ask the moderators to shut one of the threads down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodduck View Post
    This is really the same thread as the other one you just started. Why is the tonic so important for melodies? It would be better to keep the discussion in one place. You should ask the moderators to shut one of the threads down.
    At least.
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    How does the listener (subconsciously) know what scale a melody is being played in?

    I do it by ear. If you can't hear it, you need more ear training maybe. Or maybe you should consider building pianos rather than playing them. No offense intended.
    Last edited by millionrainbows; Mar-22-2020 at 22:44.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodduck View Post
    This is really the same thread as the other one you just started. Why is the tonic so important for melodies? It would be better to keep the discussion in one place. You should ask the moderators to shut one of the threads down.
    You should just report it to the mods yourself if it bothers you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by millionrainbows View Post
    You should just report it to the mods yourself if it bothers you.
    I had enough respect for the originator of the thread to grant him that prerogative. He's new here. I'm not in the business of shutting down other people's threads. Are you?
    Last edited by Woodduck; Mar-23-2020 at 00:26.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodduck View Post
    I had enough respect for the originator of the thread to grant him that prerogative. He's new here. I'm not in the business of shutting down other people's threads. Are you?
    That was just a suggestion, since I assume that you are very familiar with the reporting process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by millionrainbows View Post
    That was just a suggestion, since I assume that you are very familiar with the reporting process.
    You should direct your suggestions to people who need or want them - in this case the OP. I can't think of any circumstances in which any suggestion from you would be useful or welcome to me.

    You're just poking the bear. Don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodduck View Post
    You should direct your suggestions to people who need or want them - in this case the OP. I can't think of any circumstances in which any suggestion from you would be useful or welcome to me. You're just poking the bear. Don't.
    You should direct your suggestions to people who need or want them - in this case the OP.
    As far as suggestions, I already offered advice to the OP in post #4.

    The implication here is that I should not reply to your posts, but only address the OP. That's not how things work here. Like I have learned the hard way, if I post on the forum, I should expect some replies, some welcome, some useful, some not.

    I can't think of any circumstances in which any suggestion from you would be useful or welcome to me.
    I think you could use my blog New Conceptions of Musical Time and apply it to Parsifal.

    You're just poking the bear. Don't.
    I would expect the same from you.
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    If I was the OP I would take real offence at sentence three in post #4.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barbebleu View Post
    If I was the OP I would take real offence at sentence three in post #4.
    Well if it wasn't for people like me, there would be no artists vowing, "Because of what he said, I shall devote my life to proving him wrong!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barbebleu View Post
    If I was the OP I would take real offence at sentence three in post #4.
    It may explain why he seems to have disappeared. That's assuming he hasn't gone off to piano-building school.

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    Self-indulgent idiots ! Isn't youngcapone merely exploring the Dorian mode ? Why does it appear to be
    a C scale yet his composition beginning on D does not easily resolve to C ? Not that it couldn't .

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    Key CAN be a subjective thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pianozach View Post
    Key CAN be a subjective thing.
    That clears everything up!

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