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    Default Game: Lesser-Known Sacred Choral Works (Preliminary Round, Group 2 of 2)

    Welcome to the second group for the preliminary round of Lesser-Known Sacred Choral Works! We'll be voting on the second half of the original crop of 24 fine nominations, and deciding which works get to move on to the next round. I hope we have fun exploring these works!

    The Rules:

    1. When you vote, you will have 15 points to distribute as you wish, except no work may receive more than 6 points.

    2. You may vote once daily. Also, make sure that your voting sessions are at least 6 hours apart.

    3. The game ends with the first work to reach 100 points.

    4. The 6 highest-scoring works by the end of the game will advance to the Semifinals. In our first preliminary group, the works by Dyson and Liszt ended up in a tie for sixth place, so I'm adding them both here. Whichever finishes this game with the higher score will be moving on.

    Here we go:

    MacMillan - Seven Last Words From the Cross - 2 (+2)
    Ockeghem - Missa cuiusvis toni - 0
    Pergolesi - Stabat Mater - 3 (+3)
    Poulenc - Gloria - 3 (+3)

    Rheinberger - Mass in E flat, op. 109 "Cantus Missæ” - 2
    Schnittke - Three Sacred Hymns - 0
    Schubert - Psalm 23 - 3 (+3)
    Stanford - Requiem - 0

    Reminder - You have 15 points to use.

    Traetta - Stabat Mater - 0
    Vierne - Messe Solennelle - 2 (+2)
    Vivaldi - Dixit Dominus RV 594 - 0
    Zelenka - Requiem Z46 - 0

    Dyson - Quo Vadis? - 0
    Liszt - Christus - 2 (+2)
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    MacMillan - Seven Last Words From the Cross - 2
    Ockeghem - Missa cuiusvis toni - 0
    Pergolesi - Stabat Mater - 6 (+3)
    Poulenc - Gloria - 3

    Rheinberger - Mass in E flat, op. 109 "Cantus Missæ” - 5 (+3)
    Schnittke - Three Sacred Hymns - 0
    Schubert - Psalm 23 - 3
    Stanford - Requiem - 3 (+3)

    Reminder - You have 15 points to use.

    Traetta - Stabat Mater - 3 (+3)
    Vierne - Messe Solennelle - 5 (+3)
    Vivaldi - Dixit Dominus RV 594 - 0
    Zelenka - Requiem Z46 - 0

    Dyson - Quo Vadis? - 0
    Liszt - Christus - 2

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    MacMillan - Seven Last Words From the Cross - 2
    Ockeghem - Missa cuiusvis toni - 0
    Pergolesi - Stabat Mater - 6
    Poulenc - Gloria - 7 (+4)

    Rheinberger - Mass in E flat, op. 109 "Cantus Missæ” - 5
    Schnittke - Three Sacred Hymns - 0
    Schubert - Psalm 23 - 3
    Stanford - Requiem - 3

    Reminder - You have 15 points to use.

    Traetta - Stabat Mater - 3
    Vierne - Messe Solennelle - 5
    Vivaldi - Dixit Dominus RV 594 - 0
    Zelenka - Requiem Z46 - 6 (+6)

    Dyson - Quo Vadis? - 0
    Liszt - Christus - 2

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    MacMillan - Seven Last Words From the Cross - 5 (+3)
    Ockeghem - Missa cuiusvis toni - 0
    Pergolesi - Stabat Mater - 9 (+3)
    Poulenc - Gloria - 10 (+3)

    Rheinberger - Mass in E flat, op. 109 "Cantus Missæ” - 5
    Schnittke - Three Sacred Hymns - 0
    Schubert - Psalm 23 - 6 (+3)
    Stanford - Requiem - 3

    Reminder - You have 15 points to use.

    Traetta - Stabat Mater - 3
    Vierne - Messe Solennelle - 5
    Vivaldi - Dixit Dominus RV 594 - 0
    Zelenka - Requiem Z46 - 9 (+3)

    Dyson - Quo Vadis? - 0
    Liszt - Christus - 2

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    MacMillan - Seven Last Words From the Cross - 5
    Ockeghem - Missa cuiusvis toni - 0
    Pergolesi - Stabat Mater - 12 (+3)
    Poulenc - Gloria - 10

    Rheinberger - Mass in E flat, op. 109 "Cantus Missæ” - 8 (+3)
    Schnittke - Three Sacred Hymns - 0
    Schubert - Psalm 23 - 6
    Stanford - Requiem - 9 (+6)

    Reminder - You have 15 points to use.

    Traetta - Stabat Mater - 3
    Vierne - Messe Solennelle - 8 (+3)
    Vivaldi - Dixit Dominus RV 594 - 0
    Zelenka - Requiem Z46 - 9

    Dyson - Quo Vadis? - 0
    Liszt - Christus - 2

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    MacMillan - Seven Last Words From the Cross - 5
    Ockeghem - Missa cuiusvis toni - 0
    Pergolesi - Stabat Mater - 12
    Poulenc - Gloria - 10

    Rheinberger - Mass in E flat, op. 109 "Cantus Missæ” - 8
    Schnittke - Three Sacred Hymns - 0
    Schubert - Psalm 23 - 6
    Stanford - Requiem - 9

    Reminder - You have 15 points to use.

    Traetta - Stabat Mater - 3
    Vierne - Messe Solennelle - 8
    Vivaldi - Dixit Dominus RV 594 - 0
    Zelenka - Requiem Z46 - 15 (+6)

    Dyson - Quo Vadis? - 0
    Liszt - Christus - 6 (+4)

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    MacMillan - Seven Last Words From the Cross - 10 (+5)
    Ockeghem - Missa cuiusvis toni - 0
    Pergolesi - Stabat Mater - 12
    Poulenc - Gloria - 10

    Rheinberger - Mass in E flat, op. 109 "Cantus Missæ” - 8
    Schnittke - Three Sacred Hymns - 0
    Schubert - Psalm 23 - 6
    Stanford - Requiem - 14 (+5

    Reminder - You have 15 points to use.

    Traetta - Stabat Mater - 3
    Vierne - Messe Solennelle - 8
    Vivaldi - Dixit Dominus RV 594 - 0
    Zelenka - Requiem Z46 - 15

    Dyson - Quo Vadis? - 5 (+5
    Liszt - Christus - 6
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    MacMillan - Seven Last Words From the Cross - 14 (+4)
    Ockeghem - Missa cuiusvis toni - 0
    Pergolesi - Stabat Mater - 12
    Poulenc - Gloria - 14 (+4)

    Rheinberger - Mass in E flat, op. 109 "Cantus Missæ” - 8
    Schnittke - Three Sacred Hymns - 0
    Schubert - Psalm 23 - 6
    Stanford - Requiem - 14

    Reminder - You have 15 points to use.

    Traetta - Stabat Mater - 3
    Vierne - Messe Solennelle - 8
    Vivaldi - Dixit Dominus RV 594 - 3 (+3)
    Zelenka - Requiem Z46 - 15

    Dyson - Quo Vadis? - 7 (+2)
    Liszt - Christus - 8 (+2)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allegro Con Brio View Post
    4. The 6 highest-scoring works by the end of the game will advance to the Semifinals. In our first preliminary group, the works by Dyson and Liszt ended up in a tie for sixth place, so I'm adding them both here. Whichever finishes this game with the higher score will be moving on.
    I'm trying to see how this works out in various scenarios since it may affect game play. Will it always be six from the original line-up for the second semi-final plus the highest of the Dyson/Liszt replay? In that case giving Dyson and Liszt the same amount of points means throwing them away. Can you clarify, because this is pretty much uncharted territory here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Art Rock View Post
    I'm trying to see how this works out in various scenarios since it may affect game play. Will it always be six from the original line-up for the second semi-final plus the highest of the Dyson/Liszt replay? In that case giving Dyson and Liszt the same amount of points means throwing them away. Can you clarify, because this is pretty much uncharted territory here?
    Well, I wasn't sure what to do since they both finished with 72 points for sixth place in the first preliminary. The plan is to have 12 works in the next (semifinal) round, 6 from each of the 2 preliminary groups. In the first preliminary, I only moved 5 works to the next round because of the tie. In this preliminary, I'll be moving up the 6 highest-scoring PLUS the Dyson/Liszt to make up for the missing 6th spot in the first preliminary. If there's another tie here, well...no idea what we would do then! I know that's probably a bit confusing...perhaps you or Bulldog could offer a suggestion for how to solve ties in the future?
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    For this particular case, I would have run the 15 works of the semi-final as planned. In addition, in the same posts, a run-off between Dyson and Liszt as Bulldog is runnin some of his games - so they do not affect the other semi-final. Voting for Dyson or Liszt takes points away from the other works, and creates an unfair playing field imo.

    Bulldog does not solve ties as far as I can remember, but has the tied works both qualify. I define a tiebreaker upfront (the last time there was a difference between the tied works).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Art Rock View Post
    For this particular case, I would have run the 15 works of the semi-final as planned. In addition, in the same posts, a run-off between Dyson and Liszt as Bulldog is runnin some of his games - so they do not affect the other semi-final. Voting for Dyson or Liszt takes points away from the other works, and creates an unfair playing field imo.

    Bulldog does not solve ties as far as I can remember, but has the tied works both qualify. I define a tiebreaker upfront (the last time there was a difference between the tied works).
    You know, having them both qualify might not be such a bad idea. It would just add one more work to the semifinal round, which would not be a big deal. Let's go with that

    New board:

    MacMillan - Seven Last Words From the Cross - 14
    Ockeghem - Missa cuiusvis toni - 0
    Pergolesi - Stabat Mater - 12
    Poulenc - Gloria - 14

    Rheinberger - Mass in E flat, op. 109 "Cantus Missæ” - 8
    Schnittke - Three Sacred Hymns - 0
    Schubert - Psalm 23 - 6
    Stanford - Requiem - 14

    Reminder - You have 15 points to use.

    Traetta - Stabat Mater - 3
    Vierne - Messe Solennelle - 8
    Vivaldi - Dixit Dominus RV 594 - 3
    Zelenka - Requiem Z46 - 15
    Last edited by Allegro Con Brio; Apr-01-2020 at 15:48.

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    In that case, can we redistribute the points we gave to Dyson and Liszt?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Art Rock View Post
    In that case, can we redistribute the points we gave to Dyson and Liszt?
    Dyson had 7 points and Liszt had 8...so you're suggesting to ask whoever voted for them which works they'd like to redistribute the points to?

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    Yes. Only fair I think.
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