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    Hello bassoonists and everyone!

    From J-S Bach's orchestral suite number 3, the Air, transposed for bassoon quartet, copyleft
    JSBach_Air_QuartBassoonCMajor.pdf
    JSBach_Air_QuartBassoonDMajor.pdf

    Very easy to play: I achieve it (inelegantly) after four months bassoon learning. The C major version is even a bit easier than the D major.

    You find three more bassoonists in your symphonic orchestra, or in your multiphonic recorder, or among your students. A fourth bassoon is decent, a contrabassoon sounds better.

    Enjoy!
    Marc Schaefer, aka Enthalpy

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    I think you mean "transcribed" rather than "transposed" regardless if a transposition was done in making the "transcription"
    "Music in any generation is not what the public thinks of it but what the musicians make of it"....Virgil Thomson

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    It's exactly JSB's notes a ninth and an octave lower, so would it be a transposition or a transcription in English?

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    The reason to call it a "transcription" is because Bach did not write that piece for 4 bassoons. If he had and then all you did was transpose then you would be correct to call it a "transposition"
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    Here's, from J-S Bach's orchestral suite No 2, the Badinerie, transposed for bassoon, copyleft.

    JSBach_Badinerie_Bassoon.pdf

    Flautists show off limitless with that piece, but a bassoon achieves it too. "Easily" would be wrong here, and this depends on the exaggeration of the tempo. You can choose the transposition height.

    If an other instrument wants a score, it goes quickly with my present files.

    Enjoy!
    Marc Schaefer, aka Enthalpy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enthalpy View Post
    Here's, from J-S Bach's orchestral suite No 2, the Badinerie, transposed for bassoon, copyleft.

    JSBach_Badinerie_Bassoon.pdf

    Flautists show off limitless with that piece, but a bassoon achieves it too. "Easily" would be wrong here, and this depends on the exaggeration of the tempo. You can choose the transposition height.

    If an other instrument wants a score, it goes quickly with my present files.

    Enjoy!
    Marc Schaefer, aka Enthalpy
    Nice!! Looks good.
    If you want to hear a whole new dimension of Bach transcribed for bassoon- look up "Bach and Bassoon", Arthur Weisberg, bassoon, Crystal Records CD345. Flute, Violin Partitas, Cello Suites - Great playing, the technique, and esp the clarity of the high register athletics is truly stunning

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    Thanks for your interest!

    How difficult is it on the Heckel system?

    I've been learning the French system for 4 months and the Badinerie is still out of my reach. I can play it slowly, if slowing down much two bar lines. So I have good hope that good bassoonists achieve it with due brilliance. The Heckel system is said to help, but the difficulty of a piece is badly predictable on the bassoon.

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    It's pretty straight ahead...fun and not too difficult...Bach wrote a similar original part for bassoon solo in Orchestra Suite #4 Bouree #2...pretty busy part!!

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    Thanks Heck148!

    Found some records on Youtube with
    "Bach and Bassoon" "Arthur Weisberg"
    and indeed he played cleanly.

    Meanwhile I've tried the Badinerie in G minor transposition, and on the French system it seems easier than in A minor. It eases two bars that, in A minor, are much more difficult than the rest (at my level). Maybe I play it slowly in a few months.

    To show off, flautists play the Badinerie with quarter >180. Other bassoonists shall try, that's inaccessible to me in a foreseeable future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enthalpy View Post
    Thanks Heck148!

    Found some records on Youtube with
    "Bach and Bassoon" "Arthur Weisberg"
    and indeed he played cleanly.
    Yes, pretty incredible playing...if you are using French bassoon - you by all means should seek out recordings by Maurice Allard....outstanding artist...unfortunately few of his solo recordings ever made it to the digital era...

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    Meanwhile I've tried the Badinerie in G minor transposition, and on the French system it seems easier than in A minor. It eases two bars that, in A minor, are much more difficult than the rest (at my level). Maybe I play it slowly in a few months.
    when I get the chance, I'm going to read thru the b minor one...that looks like the most "athletic".

    To show off, flautists play the Badinerie with quarter >180. Other bassoonists shall try, that's inaccessible to me in a foreseeable future.
    180/min is way too fast fast....it would sound like a shapeless, unmusical mush-mosh....c 116-120 would be nice....then you can get some phrasing, dynamics into it...
    Last edited by Heck148; Apr-24-2020 at 01:27.

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    Meanwhile I train the B minor version. It seems to be the easiest one on the French bassoon.

    180/min has nothing to do with art, for sure. Nor could it be a dance, a "badinerie". It's only to show off.

    But even that could be a goal too. Show that a bassoon achieves the same speed on that very standard flute score.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enthalpy View Post
    Meanwhile I train the B minor version. It seems to be the easiest one on the French bassoon.

    180/min has nothing to do with art, for sure. Nor could it be a dance, a "badinerie". It's only to show off.

    But even that could be a goal too. Show that a bassoon achieves the same speed on that very standard flute score.
    180/minute?? Why bother??
    Fast, hashy and sloppy has little musical value. Clean, well-phrased and musical has great value..you're right, it's a dance...it should sound, feel like a dance.

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    I meant, the G minor seems easiest for the French bassoon.

    Why bother: maybe because many people, and even composers, imagine low instruments as lumbering. If more people grasp that a bassoon can be agile, we'll get more scores.

    So the Badinerie would be misused as a demo. For art, a slower pace is obviously better. en.wiki gives a reasonable listening example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enthalpy View Post
    ....Why bother: maybe because many people, and even composers, imagine low instruments as lumbering. If more people grasp that a bassoon can be agile, we'll get more scores..
    Oh, there are plenty of "fast note" works available for bassoon...Vivaldi wrote 38 bassoon concerti, and of course, the Weber pieces, Hummel concerto are great showpieces...

    Lots of orchestra works - Mozart -"Marriage/Figaro" Ov, "Haffner" Sym (35) mvt IV, Ravel Piano Cto mvt III, Stravinsky - Pulcinella to name just a few.

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    A record of JSBach's air on four bassoons exists already (2007)
    Dmz1a8taHVY
    I hope we hear more, of better technical quality. The bassoon serves this music very well.

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