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    I think Granate and I are looking for different things in Bruckner. Celibidache ranks highly on numerous occasions on his lists. For me, his recordings of any repertoire are mainly curiosities, and not recordings I revisit really at all.

    ETA: having looked again, there are a few we have in common. Especially Karajan, Blomstedt, Young, and Wand.

    EATA: this is coming across too dismissively, more so than I intended. Granate has certainly listened to many more Bruckner recordings than I have, and I found his comments interesting to say the least. What an impressive project!

    But Celibidache in Bruckner (or anything, really) is not to my taste at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knorf View Post
    I think Granate and I are looking for different things in Bruckner. Celibidache ranks highly on numerous occasions on his lists. For me, his recordings of any repertoire are mainly curiosities, and not recordings I revisit really at all.

    ETA: having looked again, there are a few we have in common. Especially Karajan, Blomstedt, Young, and Wand.

    EATA: this is coming across too dismissively, more so than I intended. Granate has certainly listened to many more Bruckner recordings than I have, and I found his comments interesting to say the least. What an impressive project!

    But Celibidache in Bruckner (or anything, really) is not to my taste at all.
    Not even the 4th? I listened to Celi's Bruckner 4 a couple of weeks ago and it totally bowled me over. I haven't heard any others, though I could see his slow style not working so well in other Bruckner symphonies.

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    Out of Stan's 90th box, the Bruckner recordings are possibly some of the weaker performances (although I think that those are very good too) but if you really want to hear him perform great Bruckner try and get hold of his Bruckner recordings with the Japanese Yomiuri orchestra. Now they are something special!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Merl View Post
    Out of Stan's 90th box, the Bruckner recordings are possibly some of the weaker performances (although I think that those are very good too) but if you really want to hear him perform great Bruckner try and get hold of his Bruckner recordings with the Japanese Yomiuri orchestra. Now they are something special!

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    There seems to be a fairly strong tradition of performing Bruckner in Japan. I wonder where that came from.

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    [Deleted post. I read it, and it didn't add much to the discussion, so I spare you.]
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    Quote Originally Posted by flamencosketches View Post
    There seems to be a fairly strong tradition of performing Bruckner in Japan. I wonder where that came from.
    Mostly from Asahina. He championed Bruckner in Japan and was a Bruckner specialist. His Bruckner cycles are really good.

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    I've listened to the Bruckner Symphonies 1 and 2 from the box. The performances are very good, and for both of those two particularly so in the third and fourth movemements. I think for me they fall just short of my favorite recordings of these symphonies, namely Karajan/Berliner Philharmoniker. Somehow, the thread doesn't pull together as tightly in Stan's recording as with Karajan, or Abbado/Wiener Philharmoniker in No. 1 and Blomstedt/Gewandhausorchester Leipzig in No. 2 , for two other favorites of mine.

    So far, I am slightly less impressed with the Bruckner than the Beethoven. Only slightly.

    Bottom line, though, is that is a hugely enjoyable box of recordings. Nothing so far is less than very good!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knorf View Post
    I've listened to the Bruckner Symphonies 1 and 2 from the box. The performances are very good, and for both of those two particularly so in the third and fourth movemements. I think for me they fall just short of my favorite recordings of these symphonies, namely Karajan/Berliner Philharmoniker. Somehow, the thread doesn't pull together as tightly in Stan's recording as with Karajan, or Abbado/Wiener Philharmoniker in No. 1 and Blomstedt/Gewandhausorchester Leipzig in No. 2 , for two other favorites of mine.

    So far, I am slightly less impressed with the Bruckner than the Beethoven. Only slightly.

    Bottom line, though, is that is a hugely enjoyable box of recordings. Nothing so far is less than very good!
    Wait till you get to the Schumann and Brahms! ;-)

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    HOLY MOLY this is a terrific Bruckner 3!

    ETA: for reference, here are the editions Stan used in this cycle: F minor (Nowak); No.1 (Haas, the so-called "Linz" version of 1877); D minor (Nowak); #2 (1st Nowak edition--a hybrid of 1877 and 1872); #3 (Nowak's edition of the 1888-89 version); #4 (Nowak's edition of the 1886 version); #5 (Nowak's edition of the 1878 version); #6 (Nowak); #7 (Nowak); #8 (Nowak's edition of the 1890 revised version); #9 (Nowak).

    EATA: seriously. I might have a new favorite Bruckner 3.
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    Firstly, congratulations on all the correct attempts at getting the spelling right, highly impressed here ! Polish doesn't look user-friendly, but like Czech, is near as dammit said like it's written, just a couple of letters that are a bit odd for we speakers of Germanic languages. Those jokes along the lines of Polish chap goes to the opticians, is sat down, shown the standard chart and asked if he can read it, of course I can, I know him" or the cartoon of how Polish was invented, showing a man falling down the stairs with a big box of Scrabble tiles, are undoubtedly unfair.

    I won't be getting this big Oehms box, as I already have his top-notch Beethoven and his similar status Bruckner. I have a very fine Brahms set from him and the Halle Orchestra, but I will try and find the Schumanns separately. There seems to be such fire in his music making, even at a ripe old age, so he's an easy under-rated conductor to discover and appreciate.

    I will give his Bruckner 3 another listen. I think I mentioned over on the recent Bruckner 7 thread that this recording of that Symphony is one of my favourites.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by CnC Bartok View Post

    I won't be getting this big Oehms box, as I already have his top-notch Beethoven and his similar status Bruckner. I have a very fine Brahms set from him and the Halle Orchestra... .....
    CnC, whilst I have his Halle Brahms cycle this Saarbrucken one is slightly better IMO (so much so that I rarely play my hometown orchestra's cycle). The 2nd and 3rd are broad but beautiful. The 3rd is a cracker with killer 1st movement. The 1st is slow but intense. The only caveat is that I prefer his Halle 4th but this one is hardly shoddy.
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    Update! I am thrilled with this box. Skrowaczewski is now firmly among my favorite conductors! Everything I've heard is at least excellent. I'm really impressed!

    Having listened to almost half the box, here's where these recordings stand for me:

    New All-time Favorites
    Bruckner Symphony No. 3
    Schumann Symphony No. 1

    Competitive with My All-time Favorites
    Bartók: Concerto for Orchestra (this one surprised me, slightly, but why? Composer turned conductor, he should do this well!)
    Beethoven: Symphony No. 1
    Beethoven: Symphony No. 2
    Beethoven: Symphony No. 4 (Only Kleiber/Bayerisches Staatsorchester is in the lead here, barely.)
    Bruckner: Symphony No. 4
    Bruckner: Symphony No. 5

    Excellent and Well-Worth Belonging in Any Collection
    Beethoven: Symphony No. 3
    Brahms: Symphony No. 1
    Bruckner: Symphony No. 1
    Bruckner: Symphony in D minor (unnumbered)
    Bruckner: Symphony No. 2
    Schumann: Symphony No. 4

    Insufficient Basis for Comparison, But Sounded Good to Me
    Bartók: Divertimento for string orchestra
    Bruckner: Overture in G minor
    Bruckner: Symphony in F minor (unnumbered)
    Bruckner: Adagio from String Quintet in F major (arr. Skrowaczewski)

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    Is this box still cheap? You all are tempting me...

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    Quote Originally Posted by flamencosketches View Post
    Is this box still cheap? You all are tempting me...
    If you're quick, there's a box on offer on the US Amazon site for $54. Don't know if that's in your "cheap" category....?

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    It's still cheaper at jpc.de.

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