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    I just saw this on Ebay: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Stravinsky-...0AAOSwa8NepauU

    What is a JVC XRCD? Are they worth getting? Will they play in a regular CD player?

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    They play on a CD player according to Wikipedia.
    I treat my music like I treat my pets. It’s something to own, care about and curate with attention to detail. From a blog by hjr.

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    I have followed and participated in discussion digital versus analog(CD v. LP) fair amount. I have come to the conclusion that you can get pretty good(good enough) quality of music out of both medias. Digital somewhat more consistently.
    So I wouldn't bother with XRCD over ordinary CD. For one the cost is double but I can't imagine what would be the "double" sound quality. With CD the most important and intermediate quality improvement is properly designed AD converter. There are errors as digital noise with reading the disc and if this could be minimised the sound quality improves.
    I have couple of systems set up for CD play. One is broadcast quality(from classical music radio station) Denon CD player. The other is reputable AD converter and disc player with digital out. Both sound rather good and up to the bar with vinyl(quality TT with exellent cartridge).
    What I am saying is that you will not get too much of improvement if at all unless you have the system that can produce it and even then it may not be worth of double the price.
    Last edited by erki; Apr-27-2020 at 11:08.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erki View Post
    I have followed and participated in discussion digital versus analog(CD v. LP) fair amount. I have come to the conclusion that you can get pretty good(good enough) quality of music out of both medias. Digital somewhat more consistently.
    So I wouldn't bother with XRCD over ordinary CD. For one the cost is double but I can't imagine what would be the "double" sound quality. With CD the most important and intermediate quality improvement is properly designed AD converter. There are errors as digital noise with reading the disc and if this could be minimised the sound quality improves.
    I have couple of systems set up for CD play. One is broadcast quality(from classical music radio station) Denon CD player. The other is reputable AD converter and disc player with digital out. Both sound rather good and up to the bar with vinyl(quality TT with exellent cartridge).
    What I am saying is that you will not get too much of improvement if at all unless you have the system that can produce it and even then it may not be worth of double the price.
    Don't you mean DA converter?

    I have a few JVC XRCD discs (seven, I believe) purchased last century. They sound pretty good to me, especially my two jazz discs. A lot depends on who did the mastering. But the technology is 20+ years old. I'm not saying that newer is necessarily better - by no means. But the technology to make it better is available.

    I have that Stravinsky/Solti recording as part of the Decca Analog Box Set (from about 10 years ago?). I played it recently, and it sounded pretty spectacular. I can't compare it to the XRCD, but I feel no need to upgrade.
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    Wikipedia can be a good friend.

    Extended Resolution Compact Disc (XRCD) is a mastering and manufacture process patented by JVC (Victor Company of Japan, Ltd) for producing Red Book compact discs. It was first introduced in 1995. An XRCD is priced about twice as high as a regular full-priced CD.

    (The Red Book is one of a series of Rainbow Books (named for their binding colors) that contain the technical specifications for all CD formats.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by jegreenwood View Post
    Don't you mean DA converter?

    I have a few JVC XRCD discs (seven, I believe) purchased last century. They sound pretty good to me, especially my two jazz discs. A lot depends on who did the mastering. But the technology is 20+ years old. I'm not saying that newer is necessarily better - by no means. But the technology to make it better is available.

    I have that Stravinsky/Solti recording as part of the Decca Analog Box Set (from about 10 years ago?). I played it recently, and it sounded pretty spectacular. I can't compare it to the XRCD, but I feel no need to upgrade.
    Actually I forgot about another group of XRCD Blue Note jazz discs that I bought within the last decade. I bought them because they were mastered by Alan Yoshida who has a very good track record (no pun intended). At about the same time I downloaded some 96/24 Blue Note albums also mastered by Alan Yoshida. They were very good as well. And somewhat cheaper.

    More info here.

    I own the pictured CD.
    Last edited by jegreenwood; Apr-29-2020 at 19:29.

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    So do XRCDs sound better, or is it just a gimmick?

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    Quote Originally Posted by adriesba View Post
    So do XRCDs sound better, or is it just a gimmick?
    These sound better if you have the player that is capable producing it. What I try to say that you should get the max out of the CD and then try XRCD. If your converter can not read CD at its best it will not read XRCD any better. Some 20 years ago I bought one and on my player I did not get any difference compared to regular CD. It was nice and gold though.
    Or just try yourself - your ears will decide.
    I looked up: ebay has pretty wide selection of these for 10 bucks(incl. shipping) however most silly titles. If you are really interested it would be worth to try.
    This is pretty listenable jazz though:
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/David-Fries...UAAOSw2YZc2jgC
    Last edited by erki; Apr-30-2020 at 13:15.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adriesba View Post
    So do XRCDs sound better, or is it just a gimmick?
    In a thread on another forum, the host (whose initials are SH) said some do, some don't. What's the quality of the source? Who is doing the mastering? I bought the jazz discs because they had Alan Yoshida's name, not because of XRCD. And they sound very good. But so do the Yoshida 96/24 downloads. And they were cheaper than the full price XRCD discs.

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    I got intrigued by this and got the disc I mention above. Well, it does sound great but I wouldn't say it is worth the (usual)price tag.

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