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    Quote Originally Posted by Becca View Post
    I don't believe in cycles of works let alone monster boxes like that!
    I understand. The big Barbirolli box is not for me; I am not remotely enough into his conducting to want so much of it!

    The big Skrowaczewski box is just about the only large overview of a single conductor that I have. But that one I love!

    Quote Originally Posted by Merl View Post
    ...As always I say listen with your own ears and don't be swayed by what others say. If you like what you hear then all is fine. If not you're free not to listen again...
    Well said, my friend!

    It bears repeating: in great music, no one performer or conductor can ever have all of the answers.

    Quote Originally Posted by Simplicissimus View Post
    It’s easy to surrender one’s ears to music critics and opinionated friends, harder to put in the time and effort (mostly enjoyable) needed in order to make really thoughtful and satisfactory choices in music.
    Agreed! I think we're pretty much on the same page.

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    I consider Barbirolli the reference in Mahler (especially 2, 5, 6, 9), but beyond Mahler my favorites of his recordings include:

    - Dvořák 8th, 1957 EMI
    - Elgar Enigma variations, 1957 EMI
    - Vaughan Williams/Elgar “English string music” EMI
    - Vaughan Williams, London symphony, 1957 Dutton/EMI (must have been a good year for Big John)
    Last edited by Brahmsianhorn; May-17-2020 at 00:42.

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    His RPO Sibelius 2 just might be the greatest individual Sibelius recording I’ve ever heard, and I’m a Sib symphony nut. The Koussevitsky 7th comes close though
    "If we understood the world, we would realize that there is a logic of harmony underlying its manifold apparent dissonances." - Jean Sibelius

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    Barbirolli's intense dislike for Szell explained. I was wondering where that came from.

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    Just noticed this bizarre coincidence: Szell died on July 30, 1970, exactly one day after Barbirolli. I guess he wanted to chase him into the afterlife.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brahmsianhorn View Post
    Just noticed this bizarre coincidence: Szell died on July 30, 1970, exactly one day after Barbirolli. I guess he wanted to chase him into the afterlife.
    Wow, that really is a weird coincidence.

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    His EMI recording of the 5th is my all time favorite. I let a friend hear it.. He simply said it was too slow. Oh, well.
    Still...I adore it. Fantastic!
    Last edited by Gray Bean; Jun-28-2020 at 03:56.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gray Bean View Post
    His EMI recording of the 5th is my all time favorite. I let a friend hear it.. He simply said it was too slow. Oh, well.
    Still...I adore it. Fantastic!
    I’m with you, GB! Some people only hear the outer shell and not everything else that’s going on.

    Same with the 6th. I heard David Hurwitz describe the first movement as dull because of the slow tempo. Are you kidding me? This is one of the most devastating, earth-shattering recordings of anything I know. But all he notices is the tempo?
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    I dislike getting into these threads because too many people can't respect other opinions and take it as personal attack on their sacred cow...

    My Mahler recording collection is second only to my Beethoven collection, but Mahler is the composer I associate most with. I have hundreds of Mahler recordings and I have spent years internalizing them, pouring over scores, reading dozens of books, letters, etc. on Mahler's life and work for over 20 years.

    Do I consider myself an authority? Not by a long shot.
    Do I consider myself a deeply effected fan of his music? Yes.

    Because I am passionate about Mahler and his music and hold it in such high regard and with such respect, I will only comment as far as Barbirolli's recordings of Mahler go, I would not put any of his Mahler recordings on any list of favorites or recommendable or need to hear.

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    That’s fair enough. I have so much Mahler I’ve given up counting. The listening is the thing. The adventure is exploring new recordings while also living with the tried and true old friends. I love Barbirolli and Bernstein and Tennstedt and Walter and many, many more but I am continually listening to and collecting new ones and reissues. I have been collecting and enjoying the Fischer/Weimar set recently as well as Gabriel Feltz. Great fun!
    Last edited by Gray Bean; Jun-29-2020 at 16:46.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brahmsianhorn View Post
    I consider Barbirolli the reference in Mahler (especially 2, 5, 6, 9), but beyond Mahler my favorites of his recordings include:

    - Dvořák 8th, 1957 EMI
    - Elgar Enigma variations, 1957 EMI
    - Vaughan Williams/Elgar “English string music” EMI
    - Vaughan Williams, London symphony, 1957 Dutton/EMI (must have been a good year for Big John)
    Very nice selections, especially that wonderful Barbirolli/Dvorak Eighth

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    Whenever I hear Barbirolli’s 9th, I have a tough time envisioning how music-making can be more personal, more passionate. The Adagio is the most heart-rending rendition I know.
    "If we understood the world, we would realize that there is a logic of harmony underlying its manifold apparent dissonances." - Jean Sibelius

    "Art, like morality, consists of drawing the line somewhere." - G.K. Chesterton

    "Beethoven tells you what it’s like to be Beethoven and Mozart tells you what it’s like to be human. Bach tells you what it’s like to be the universe." - Douglas Adams

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