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    Quote Originally Posted by neofite View Post
    I agree with Knorf. But unlike Caryatid, I fell in love with it at first listen.

    By the way, could somebody kindly explain what is meant by 'dense' in this context? Does it mean that the texture is dense (i.e., lots of instruments playing simultaneously and with multiple counterpoints)? And is there anything bad about such 'density' in music? Or good?
    Density is not necessarily good or bad, but I think it is a real characteristic which has an objective basis in the music.

    It's basically a description of texture, yes. But it can also be "linear" in the sense of how many motifs are introduced in a given amount of time and how rapidly they are developed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caryatid View Post
    Density is not necessarily good or bad, but I think it is a real characteristic which has an objective basis in the music.

    It's basically a description of texture, yes. But it can also be "linear" in the sense of how many motifs are introduced in a given amount of time and how rapidly they are developed.
    Thank you Caryatid for this explanation!

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    Quote Originally Posted by neofite View Post
    I agree with Knorf. But unlike Caryatid, I fell in love with it at first listen.

    By the way, could somebody kindly explain what is meant by 'dense' in this context? Does it mean that the texture is dense (i.e., lots of instruments playing simultaneously and with multiple counterpoints)? And is there anything bad about such 'density' in music? Or good?
    I.c. falling in love with it at first listen: count me in, too.
    I.c. fav recording: difficult to say. Maybe Schneiderhan/Starker/Radio SO Berlin/Fricsay. Although it has been some time since I last listened to it, I recall it as being less heavy than some other performances. Autumnal, yes, but... with a sunshine!

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    There is a live performance issued on a commercial CD recently with Stern, Rose, and Szell/Cleveland. It's at the top of my list, tied with Francescatti, Fournier, and Walter/Columbia Symphony.

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    Stern Rose Ormandy is pretty good

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    Stern/Ma/CSO/Abbado
    Kremer/MaiskyVPO/ Bernstein

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    I'm new here and new to Brahms, so I don't really have much I am able to add to the discussion here other than to say I heard the Brahms Double Concerto today for the first time and I loved it. The third movement in particular was fantastic. I was listening to the Walter/Columbia Symphony box set, so whatever soloists were on that recording.
    "Snobbery of any flavor...tastes terrible."

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackAdderLXX View Post
    I'm new here and new to Brahms, so I don't really have much I am able to add to the discussion here other than to say I heard the Brahms Double Concerto today for the first time and I loved it. The third movement in particular was fantastic. I was listening to the Walter/Columbia Symphony box set, so whatever soloists were on that recording.
    Francescatti and Fournier?

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    I first heard it as a young teen in Symphony Hall when Leinsdorf led the BSO and two of its principals (Silverstein and Eskin) in it, but was not taken by it. A few years later I purchased the Heifitz/Piatigorsky/Wallenstein disc and that opened my mind. I remember playing it once before and once after dinner and being blown away by it on the night my parents took my younger brother and me to see "To Sir with Love" at our local movie house. That's just the kind of mind I have. :-) Still my favorite performance.

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    It is not a flawed or problematic work. But it is largely about the (rather chamber music like) interplay between the two soloists so I think it needs to be approached a little differently to most Romantic concertos. It needs some gentleness and warmth, and it needs to flow. I enjoy many recordings (some have been mentioned - like Casals with Thibaud, Heifetz with Piatigorsky, Oistrakh with Rostropovich and Francescatti with Fournier) but would also mention the Shaham with Wang (a really good one) and both of Kremer's recordings (with Maisky and with Hagen).
    Last edited by Enthusiast; May-14-2020 at 17:23.

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    I’ve been listening to the Oistrakh/Rostropovich/Szell/Cleveland recording on EMI. It’s spectacular! I’m new to the work but I’m not sure if I’ll ever find a recording to top this one.

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    Try Oistrakh and Fournier on EMI with the Philharmonia conducted by Alceo Galliera, a wonderful concerto accompanist who also contributes to Arthur Grumiaux's stellar reading (the best I've ever heard in my life) of the Violin Concerto on Philips.

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    There's another Heifetz/Piatigorsky version, conducted by Bernstein
    In case you don't know already!


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    Like some others, I fell instantly in love with the double concerto. I wore out the grooves of my old Heifetz/Piatigorsky/Wallenstein long ago and am also happy with the Stern/Ma/Abbado disc mentioned in an above post. Hard to say which concerto of Brahms is my favorite, as I get swept up into the musical world of whichever one I am hearing. Brahms is The Man.
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    Surely the classic Rostropovich/Permian recording so powerfully accompanied.

    Will always remember an amazing live performance in London decades ago with Natalia Gutman cello and a Russian violinist I can't recollect. Such was the power of her intense performing that at one point she snapped a string. And was handed the principal cellist's instrument to enable it to carry on.
    Must have been either the LPO of Philharmonia at the Festival Hall.

    Of the more recent experiences, have they become too sanitised these days? I remember being underwhelmed by the Capucon brothers and several other rather dull renditions.

    Oh for the good old days of smoke coming out of the fingerboards with so much unbridled energy!!

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