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    Whoops again. A little cross? (At risk of repeating myself, I was not coming to any conclusion .... My point was about the way in which the debate was conducted, not about what may or may not be "true"). Whoops again, I've gone all post-modern about truth. Not like me.

    The 17% was about that particular cruise ship, and I don't think I generalised it. I just noted that I didn't find it scary. A bit boring now, though. Move on? Just a thought.

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    Dutch doctors state that there may be a correlation between severity of effect of the virus and deficiency of Vitamin K - in many intensive care cases, they noted that the patients had well below average vitamin K contents.

    Vitamin K intake can easily be increased by eating green vegetables like spinach, broccoli or kale. Fortunately, my wife and I already eat a lot of those. It can't hurt anyway to make this a regular part of the diet.
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    Here's a link
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-528...new-grandchild
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    Quote Originally Posted by Art Rock View Post
    Dutch doctors state that there may be a correlation between severity of effect of the virus and deficiency of Vitamin K - in many intensive care cases, they noted that the patients had well below average vitamin K contents.

    Vitamin K intake can easily be increased by eating green vegetables like spinach, broccoli or kale. Fortunately, my wife and I already eat a lot of those. It can't hurt anyway to make this a regular part of the diet.
    which vitamin K? K1 or K2? They are quite different and have different effects. Most people are defficient in the K2

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    Quote Originally Posted by Art Rock View Post
    Dutch doctors state that there may be a correlation between severity of effect of the virus and deficiency of Vitamin K - in many intensive care cases, they noted that the patients had well below average vitamin K contents.

    Vitamin K intake can easily be increased by eating green vegetables like spinach, broccoli or kale. Fortunately, my wife and I already eat a lot of those. It can't hurt anyway to make this a regular part of the diet.
    Nope. A bit positive. Can't post that.

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    The (short, and in Dutch) article just states Vitamin K.
    I treat my music like I treat my pets. It’s something to own, care about and curate with attention to detail. From a blog by hjr.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luchesi View Post
    Has the level of activity in TC increased since the lockdown? 10 percent increase? 50 percent increase?

    Will a decrease be noticeable as the restrictions are slowly lifted?
    Looks to me like the increase is quite large across the TC field, and I thank you for injecting a needed break from all the pontificating about the virus.

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    Just got some information from a former colleague who works on long term care annuities (ie annuities to cover care home fees). They have seen a spike in deaths (which is good for an annuity provider, as long as you haven't reinsured the risk away). No surprise there. However, new business is poor. No surprise there either: people don't want their parents to go into care homes. Too scary.

    There was some comment a while ago that care homes might get into financial difficulty because they would have low occupancy. For those who have had relatives in care homes you will be familiar with the euphemism about a better room "becoming available". There might be quite a lot of that, but no one wanting to fill the less attractive rooms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luchesi View Post
    Has the level of activity in TC increased since the lockdown? 10 percent increase? 50 percent increase?

    Will a decrease be noticeable as the restrictions are slowly lifted?
    i have subjectively noticed it become more active since the lock down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eclectic Al View Post
    I'm a lot nicer than I was 10 years ago!
    Years ago, my mother used to say to me, she'd say "In this world, Elwood, you can be oh so so smart, or oh so pleasant." Well, for years I was smart... I recommend pleasant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eclectic Al View Post
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    There seems to be such a sense of offence felt if someone suggests that Covid-19 is not going to lead to armageddon, but is a bad viral pandemic, such as could have happened with a really nasty flu.
    It isn't that anyone is disappointed by the lack of an armageddon, it's just that too much good news gives some people an excuse to think it's "all over", and that's dangerous.

    The Covid-19 death looked much worse when they didn't take hidden cases into account, but it seems it is settling in at about 10 times worse than that of a typical flu. Even a "nasty" flu hasn't gotten anywhere near that bad. We can't compare the Spanish flu death rate because medicine was so much less advanced then. We don't know what that rate would be today.

    I guess everyone has their number at which they become cautious. To me 0.1% odds of death from a typical flu, 1 in 1000, I can deal with. I'll get vaccinated and avoid sick-looking people.
    1% from coronavirus, 1 in 100, nope, I will go further to keep myself safe from it, I'll stay in. Especially with the age bias.

    There's lot we still don't know. How bad can it get, how often does it get very bad. So let's not discredit anything unless it sounds really absurd.

    The pandemic is teaching us a lot about viruses in general and at breakneck speed. We should have lots of ammunition to fight the next bad viral pandemic when it comes.

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    My current feeling is that we have got very lucky. The outbreak could have been much worse, and hopefully it will prompt better planning against a future outbreak of a much nastier pathogen.
    Yes, it could be much worse. As it is, I think an immediate freezing of activity was the right initial reaction.
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