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    Please remain on topic - the coronavirus.

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    Well, I guess my days are numbered on this site, as I tried to put in some positive way to view Bill Gates and his wealth but it disappeared into the ether. Hmm. Well not exactly coronovirus topic but so is much else.

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    Another stat from my county, numbers as of yesterday:

    If you're 65 or over, you're 1.5 times more likely to be diagnosed with Covid-19 than the average for the under-65 group.

    If diagnosed, you're 13.4 times as likely to die of it than the average for the younger group.

    Overall, your chances of being diagnosed and then dying are 20.6 times those of the youngsters.

    Numbers are sometimes cruel to the old.


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    I think the lockdown is definitely over, judging by the thousands demonstrating on the streets. Certainly in the USA, Australia and the UK. Nobody should be trying to kid somebody else. Go about your business now; the genii is out of the bottle.

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    Alex Berenson's coronavirus booklet hits top spot on Amazon after online retailer initially rejected it

    Evidently objections from Elon Musk and others convinced Amazon to publish this booklet, which seems to hold that "there were panicky predictions of doom in the beginning, but the data indicate that total mortality due to c19 will be a blip to the overall population" (from one review.)

    The Amazon listing, with reviews, is here.
    Last edited by KenOC; Jun-07-2020 at 06:09.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Christabel View Post
    I think the lockdown is definitely over, judging by the thousands demonstrating on the streets
    Does that mean it's no longer against the law to drink and drive, just because there are people who do it?

    I guess the lockdown will be over when the various governments remove all the measures that put it in place. That hasn't happened yet in the UK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacLeod View Post
    Does that mean it's no longer against the law to drink and drive, just because there are people who do it?

    I guess the lockdown will be over when the various governments remove all the measures that put it in place. That hasn't happened yet in the UK.
    I'd say that the lockdown is over when the authorities no longer have the courage or will to enforce it.
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    Perhaps we could get back to the Covid-19 topic?
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    Let's try and drag away from politics, I'm only interested in the virus and the idea that some people might take their cue for how to behave wrt Covid-19 from simply watching what other people are doing ("Look! Look! They're not social distancing, so I don't need to now either!").

    I think that is a mistake.
    Last edited by mmsbls; Jun-07-2020 at 21:26. Reason: removed deleted quote

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacLeod View Post
    Let's try and drag away from politics, I'm only interested in the virus and the idea that some people might take their cue for how to behave wrt Covid-19 from simply watching what other people are doing ("Look! Look! They're not social distancing, so I don't need to now either!").
    I think that is a mistake.
    The virus topic has exhausted itself. And obviously the virus has social and political implications. The reponse of various countries to the virus is political, not medical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacck View Post
    The virus topic has exhausted itself. And obviously the virus has social and political implications. The reponse of various countries to the virus is political, not medical.
    I do not think it has. As each country's response changes according to the changes in the pandemic, there may be more to discuss.

    And while there is of course a political dimension to each jurisdiction's policy choices, that doesn't mean we have to slip into making overtly political statements about democracy, left and right, authoritarianism etc.

    It's really not that hard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacLeod View Post
    I do not think it has. As each country's response changes according to the changes in the pandemic, there may be more to discuss.

    And while there is of course a political dimension to each jurisdiction's policy choices, that doesn't mean we have to slip into making overtly political statements about democracy, left and right, authoritarianism etc.

    It's really not that hard.
    Indeed. I entirely agree. Because different countries have different policies then there may be much to learn (although there are obviously also other factors at play - such as which strain is most prevalent in a country, what is its age/health profile, differences in reporting standards, etc - which mean that a country with apparently poorer outcomes may actually have "better" policies than one with apparently better outcomes). Equally, it may be that the policies which are sensible for one country are inappropriate for another, etc.

    I just find it disappointing that a lot of this potential learning is not possible because all emerging observations get sucked into their usefulness for criticising the political tribe or policy style someone doesn't like, or (less often) congratulating the tribe or policy one does.

    To give an interesting example, the Swedish epidemiologist who is generally cited as most responsible for their early policy choices recently gave an interesting, measured set of comments about what Sweden may have got wrong and where he was comfortable with their choices. This was immediately reported in banner headlines as an acknowledgement that Sweden got it wrong. Well of course Sweden got it wrong: all countries doubtless got it wrong against some hindsight-based standard of perfection. Equally, his comments may well contain some self-protective biases, given his role in Sweden's choices - that's to be expected.

    If people are not able to acknowledge what now seem to be mistakes (although who knows whether they will ultimately be seen that way) without paying a high price in terms of negative knee-jerk responses then we will learn less and more people will die.
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    On paper Arizona doesn't have a particularly bad coronavirus situation (about 3500 cases per million people, officially fewer than about 29 other states) but for some reason they've already run out of ECMO -- extracorporeal membrane oxygenation -- machines already, which are needed for people whose lungs no longer function. They still do have unused beds and ventilators.
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    It's another bad day in South Korea with 57 new cases so far. The upward trend in active cases is now very clear: the second wave has definitely begun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KenOC View Post
    total mortality due to c19 will be a blip to the overall population"
    About one out of every 2500 Americans has died so far.
    Last edited by science; Jun-07-2020 at 15:33.
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