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    Quote Originally Posted by zxxyxxz View Post
    I have just brought the EMI Graf von Luxemburg with Nicolai Gedda in. I see that it was rereleased only last month and digital only but with no digital booklet grr.

    Is having a full cast list and cast on each track too much to ask? Even Naxos provide digital liner notes.
    I've given up expecting anything of reissues of classical material these days. I usually look for earlier releases that have better documentation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsaraslondon View Post
    What is the annoyance of Prince Orlovsky? The role was written for a woman, just as Cherubino, Octavian and the Composer were, and his music sounds better when sung in the right keys. Presumably the decision to make it a breeches part was because they wanted Orlovsky to sound young.

    My only problem with the first Karajan recording is that they cast Orlovsky with a tenor (Rudolf Christ), though I almost forgive them as he plays the bored, young man to the hilt, which is surely the point. He is not an old man who has seen it all. He is a young man, so rich he has always had exactly what he wants and thinks he has seen it all.
    That's an excellent description of the character and now it makes sense. How often have we seen it played in that way? (Joyce DiDonato should give it a go.) Perhaps the annoyance of Prince Orloffsky is that a really good performance of the role doesn't exist on DVD.

    I recommend this CD set as it has an excellent cast and also includes the ballet, which is usually cut (ok, it's not great music and in performance it makes sense to substitute it with a shorter, better Strauss polka or waltz), however it is worth hearing the operetta as composed by Strauss.

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    It comes with a libretto (although the reissue that is available now with a different cover does not). You would have to track down a used set in good condition with the yellow cover I have attached if you must have a libretto. (Alternatively get one of the other sets as well and get the reissue.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsaraslondon View Post
    I've given up expecting anything of reissues of classical material these days. I usually look for earlier releases that have better documentation.
    I have done this. Some reissues come with an upgrade in sound, though. What I have managed to do is make sure I have at least one recording of each opera I have with a libretto and then if I get further recordings I don't mind whether they have one or not. I think Vespri Siciliani, Vestale and Medea are exceptions (but I do have the libretto in French and a score of the Italian versions of Vespri and Vestale).

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Conte View Post
    Joyce DiDonato should give it a go.
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    Absolutely. I think she'd be terrific.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsaraslondon View Post
    There are quite a few (better) recordings of Die Fledermaus, which do include the libretto. These certainly do.





    Not sure if this one does, but it's very good.

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    I appreciate the suggestions. I'm sure there are better interpretations of the work elsewhere. Would definitely be open to getting more recordings in the future. I got the Naxos recording because, from what I understand, it is the only one that doesn't cut up the score. Can't remember why I chose the Naxos over the Harnoncourt though. Does the Harnoncourt have cuts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by adriesba View Post
    I appreciate the suggestions. I'm sure there are better interpretations of the work elsewhere. Would definitely be open to getting more recordings in the future. I got the Naxos recording because, from what I understand, it is the only one that doesn't cut up the score. Can't remember why I chose the Naxos over the Harnoncourt though. Does the Harnoncourt have cuts?
    I'm not sure but, it being Harnoncourt, I somehow doubt it.
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    I've just finished the CPO recording of Romberg's The Student Prince and what a wonderful and beautiful work!

    Just a simple prince falls in love with girl, prince becomes king, prince has to break up with girl story but a truly lovely operetta.

    It's made me tear up a bit.

    I heartily recommend it for those unfamiliar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adriesba View Post
    I appreciate the suggestions. I'm sure there are better interpretations of the work elsewhere. Would definitely be open to getting more recordings in the future. I got the Naxos recording because, from what I understand, it is the only one that doesn't cut up the score. Can't remember why I chose the Naxos over the Harnoncourt though. Does the Harnoncourt have cuts?
    No, it's complete (which is another bonus in my book). I listened to quite a few Fledermaus recordings and the only two that really do anything for me are the Harnoncourt and the one with Schwarzkopf.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Conte View Post
    No, it's complete (which is another bonus in my book). I listened to quite a few Fledermaus recordings and the only two that really do anything for me are the Harnoncourt and the one with Schwarzkopf.

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    It's cut of course and it was recorded in London, but there is something that is really echt Viennese about the Schwarzkopf, even if it does have a tenor Orlovsky. In any case Christ is so good he almost makes you forget he is singing at the wrong pitch. The rest of the cast could hardly be bettered, with Gedda a properly tenor Eisenstein (it's Wächter on the Decca Karajan). Even the smattering of dialogue is delivered with such wit and sparkle that you hardly need to understand German to know what's going on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Conte View Post
    No, it's complete (which is another bonus in my book). I listened to quite a few Fledermaus recordings and the only two that really do anything for me are the Harnoncourt and the one with Schwarzkopf.

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    OK. I tend to be finicky about having complete recordings even if I like to also get other recordings that simply are more exciting to listen to. I remember it came down to the Naxos recording and the Harnoncourt recording. I can't remember why I chose the Naxos though. It was a long time ago, and I've been reluctant to listen to the whole thing because it only came with a German libretto. I also have a Barber of Seville on Naxos which only came with a portion of the libretto (Italian only) as if they mis-printed the booklet. I don't know what's with Naxos's libretti.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adriesba View Post
    OK. I tend to be finicky about having complete recordings even if I like to also get other recordings that simply are more exciting to listen to. I remember it came down to the Naxos recording and the Harnoncourt recording. I can't remember why I chose the Naxos though. It was a long time ago, and I've been reluctant to listen to the whole thing because it only came with a German libretto. I also have a Barber of Seville on Naxos which only came with a portion of the libretto (Italian only) as if they mis-printed the booklet. I don't know what's with Naxos's libretti.
    That Naxos Barber is very good. It wasn't quite good enough for me to add to the six I already have, but it is lively and entertaining.

    Anyway, back to operetta and Die Fledermaus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zxxyxxz View Post
    I've just finished the CPO recording of Romberg's The Student Prince and what a wonderful and beautiful work!

    Just a simple prince falls in love with girl, prince becomes king, prince has to break up with girl story but a truly lovely operetta.

    It's made me tear up a bit.

    I heartily recommend it for those unfamiliar.
    Well, the full operetta is a bit expensive, so i decided to dip my toes in with an incomplete performance for $6.41 shipped. No idea if the sound is even good. Will see. Mostly Act 1 with just a couple bits from each remaining act. Single disk set.



    There is a 2 CD set for about $15 shipped on Ebay.

    The prince suddenly being called upon to become king at the death of his father is exactly what happens to the prince in Land des Lachelens (Lehar).
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    The prince suddenly being called upon to become king at the death of his father is exactly what happens to the prince in Land des Lachelens (Lehar).
    The same thing happens at the end of Lehar's Der Zarewitsch. Which if you like Land Des Lachelens I recommend you check out, its in the same style. I have the EMI one with Nicolai Gedda and Rita Streich.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zxxyxxz View Post
    The same thing happens at the end of Lehar's Der Zarewitsch. Which if you like Land Des Lachelens I recommend you check out, its in the same style. I have the EMI one with Nicolai Gedda and Rita Streich.
    Likely better availability of recordings too.
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