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    Susan Dunn did it, sitting om row 2 is not helping then.
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    I am totally unaware of what my tongue is doing when I am singing and telling me to move it here and there doesn't work. I'm incapable of following that sort of instruction. Therefore I just forget it is there and try to keep the whole mouth area and the muscles involved as relaxed as possible. I have sensations and shapes in the back of my mouth and throat when I sing and those no doubt relate to the position of my tongue, but I am aiming to create those shapes at the back rather than putting my tongue in a particular position.

    I also concentrate on the purity of the vowel, that is replicating the open Italian vowel sound for that particular syllable in my natural voice (as close to the spoken voice as possible depending on the pitch of the note).

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Conte View Post
    I am totally unaware of what my tongue is doing when I am singing and telling me to move it here and there doesn't work. I'm incapable of following that sort of instruction. Therefore I just forget it is there and try to keep the whole mouth area and the muscles involved as relaxed as possible. I have sensations and shapes in the back of my mouth and throat when I sing and those no doubt relate to the position of my tongue, but I am aiming to create those shapes at the back rather than putting my tongue in a particular position.

    I also concentrate on the purity of the vowel, that is replicating the open Italian vowel sound for that particular syllable in my natural voice (as close to the spoken voice as possible depending on the pitch of the note).

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    I think that the point was to not push the tongue against the bottom front teeth as some teachers recommended but to let it be relaxed as when one starts a yawn. The tongue goes back a little - separated from the front teeth - and the position I described comes naturally without forcing it to happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VitellioScarpia View Post
    I think that the point was to not push the tongue against the bottom front teeth as some teachers recommended but to let it be relaxed as when one starts a yawn. The tongue goes back a little - separated from the front teeth - and the position I described comes naturally without forcing it to happen.
    What an excellent description, yes, I realise now that if I create that space at the back of the mouth, that's exactly what the tongue does. Of course as the words and vowels one sings change the mouth position will change somewhat too. As you say the position comes naturally and the important thing for the singer is to concentrate on the vowels being pure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Conte View Post
    What an excellent description, yes, I realise now that if I create that space at the back of the mouth, that's exactly what the tongue does. Of course as the words and vowels one sings change the mouth position will change somewhat too. As you say the position comes naturally and the important thing for the singer is to concentrate on the vowels being pure.

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    You're right about the vowels needing to be pure. My biggest struggle was to get through the passaggio balancing the freedom and the value of the vowels. It is like trying to be intelligible when yawning and trying to speak, and without tightening. Hard, very hard. Once over the passaggio it is much easier to keep that freedom and keep the vowels. What's hard at that point is to make the consonants sound... Can't win!

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    I see we have a lot of singers here who are currently active. Delightful. Wish I weren't so damned old. I want to be reincarnated and come back as Lauritz Melchior.
    Last edited by Woodduck; May-24-2020 at 02:29.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodduck View Post
    I see we have a lot of singers here who are currently active. Delightful. Wish I weren't so damned old. I want to be reincarnated and come back as Lauritz Melchior.
    BTW, I am not a professional singer. I did study singing and piano because of my love for music. If I were to be reincarnated, I would love to come back as a musician, either a pianist or a singer, or both!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodduck View Post
    I see we have a lot of singers here who are currently active. Delightful. Wish I weren't so damned old. I want to be reincarnated and come back as Lauritz Melchior.
    Personally I'd rather come back as Set Svanholm if we're going the tenor route, otherwise, Samuel Ramey all the way

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    Quote Originally Posted by BalalaikaBoy View Post
    Personally I'd rather come back as Set Svanholm if we're going the tenor route, otherwise, Samuel Ramey all the way
    Since we're being specific to singers, I would love to come back with Ettore Bastianini's voice and Gobbi's acumen... That would be a freaking atomic explosion of a baritone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VitellioScarpia View Post
    Since we're being specific to singers, I would love to come back with Ettore Bastianini's voice and Gobbi's acumen... That would be a freaking atomic explosion of a baritone.
    oh if we're going baritones, Merrill for sure. Bastiannini was pretty, Merrill was MIGHTY!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BalalaikaBoy View Post
    oh if we're going baritones, Merrill for sure. Bastiannini was pretty, Merrill was MIGHTY!
    I assume that you are also adding some additional insight, right? Merrill was, in my book, mostly worried about stimme and less so in terms of character development. N'est ce pas?

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