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    Question Knappertsbusch....his best recordings...

    I have been looking into Knappy's recordings and am wondering which are his best recordings.
    There are a lot of them out there.
    Best meaning performance and/or sound.
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    Wagner, Wagner, Wagner, and, if you want a change of pace, try some more of his Wagner!

    Honestly I can't think of anything from Kna that even makes his Top 10 recordings that isn't Wagner. Perhaps Bruckner...his 3rd is really good.

    But Wagner is where Kna discovery begins and ends. His are my favorite versions of Parsifal and Die Meistersinger, *maybe* my favorite Ring, and among my favorite Tristans after Flagstad/Furtwangler.

    Parsifal is the most obvious choice, a Kna specialty. I believe there may be as many as 10 of his versions on the market. Many will recommend the 1962 Philips with Thomas as Parsifal, others the '64 with Vickers, but for me there is a special sense of occasion in his 1951 recording with Windgassen, the one that marked the reopening of Bayreuth after the war. It is available on Teldec or Naxos. And although it is mono, I don't personally think the sound is all that big a drawback compared to the later recordings.




    Next is my favorite Meistersinger, also from 1951. Sure, Schoffler's authoritative Sachs is a major draw. But even more than that there is just a spirit about this performance that makes the opera come alive, which is so important with all the ensemble singing.




    Kna also has many recorded Ring cycles. 1956, '57, and '58 all have their adherents, and you cannot go wrong with any of them. The Ring is so long of course that there will always be pros and cons for each, but for me the 1957 is a standout. I might even say I like it better than my longtime favorite, the 1950 La Scala Furtwangler. Certainly the Kna boasts much better sound. In fact I find it astonishingly vivid.




    Tristan und Isolde has been very lucky on records - Furtwangler, Bohm, Kleiber, and Karajan '52 come to mind first - but Kna's conducting is very special and the chief reason to seek out this sublime 1950 recording.




    Finally, again from the 1951 reopening of Bayreuth we have this Gotterdammerung with a fantastic cast and in great sound. If only it were a complete cycle!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brahmsianhorn View Post
    Wagner, Wagner, Wagner, and, if you want a change of pace, try some more of his Wagner!

    Honestly I can't think of anything from Kna that even makes his Top 10 recordings that isn't Wagner. Perhaps Bruckner...his 3rd is really good.

    But Wagner is where Kna discovery begins and ends. His are my favorite versions of Parsifal and Die Meistersinger, *maybe* my favorite Ring, and among my favorite Tristans after Flagstad/Furtwangler.

    Parsifal is the most obvious choice, a Kna specialty. I believe there may be as many as 10 of his versions on the market. Many will recommend the 1962 Philips with Thomas as Parsifal, others the '64 with Vickers, but for me there is a special sense of occasion in his 1951 recording with Windgassen, the one that marked the reopening of Bayreuth after the war. It is available on Teldec or Naxos. And although it is mono, I don't personally think the sound is all that big a drawback compared to the later recordings.




    Next is my favorite Meistersinger, also from 1951. Sure, Schoffler's authoritative Sachs is a major draw. But even more than that there is just a spirit about this performance that makes the opera come alive, which is so important with all the ensemble singing.




    Kna also has many recorded Ring cycles. 1956, '57, and '58 all have their adherents, and you cannot go wrong with any of them. The Ring is so long of course that there will always be pros and cons for each, but for me the 1957 is a standout. I might even say I like it better than my longtime favorite, the 1950 La Scala Furtwangler. Certainly the Kna boasts much better sound. In fact I find it astonishingly vivid.




    Tristan und Isolde has been very lucky on records - Furtwangler, Bohm, Kleiber, and Karajan '52 come to mind first - but Kna's conducting is very special and the chief reason to seek out this sublime 1950 recording.




    Finally, again from the 1951 reopening of Bayreuth we have this Gotterdammerung with a fantastic cast and in great sound. If only it were a complete cycle!

    There are 13 Parsifals. The Korean label Venias put all 13 in a single 42 CD box a few years ago.
    There are 3 complete Bayreuth Ring cycles (1955-57). Again, Venias issued a 42 CD box with all 3. I prefer the 1956 the most.

    Both Venias boxes are OOP.
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    Whoah. I'll need time



    He was pretty lame with Beethoven in my opinion. None of his Eroicas recorded honour his name in my opinion. But this No.5 feels just as intense as the Live Tennstedt in the Proms. This is the one from Frankfurt 1962, not Berlin 1956.



    I've talked countless times about my dislike of the Gurnemanz in this recording, the only person that prevents me from buying it. I think it counts with the definitive conducting statement that Kna always had in Parsifal. I always listen to his Parsifals, so I usually focus on the cast. Other favourites are 1952, 1954, 1958, 1960, 1961 and 1962.

    Bruckner 8
    For me he conducted each Bruckner 8 in a different way. I rate highly many of them, but I would rank:
    1. Vienna 1961 (furious, agressive)
    2. Munich 1963 (peaceful, less mannered)
    3. Berlin 1951 (more in the middle term, safer for the casual listener).



    Schubert Unfinished from Berlin. This version is very cheap on archipel but the performance is split on two cds!!!!
    And the Vienna performance for the Great.



    Usually his Bruckner recordings are more colourful in tone than Furtwängler (blame the modern technology of late 50s), but above many, stand this Salzburg Bruckner 7 in 1949.



    I wanted to own a Stereo Dutchman, but this recording always makes me back down. It's perfect for casting but specially for his baton.
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    Itulian - I would have thought that you would have been well acquainted with Kna’s Wagner through the Historical Wagner thread and all the other Wagner threads. I assume then you are thinking of Kna’s none-Wagnerian output?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barbebleu View Post
    Itulian - I would have thought that you would have been well acquainted with Kna’s Wagner through the Historical Wagner thread and all the other Wagner threads. I assume then you are thinking of Kna’s none-Wagnerian output?
    Yes, that's what i was after.

    i just ordered a set of his Brahms symphonies.
    i liked what i heard.
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    I had forgotten his Brahms, although I think he has a tougher competition with Furtwängler




    I'd like to get these. Did you buy these performances?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Granate View Post
    I had forgotten his Brahms, although I think he has a tougher competition with Furtwängler




    I'd like to get these. Did you buy these performances?
    No, i got the complete set on Andromeda. only 15.00usd
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    ^^

    Well done. It already has the Cologne No.4 but not the No.3. I think it is a rather strong set. It was on my wishlist too but I'll be fine if I buy the Orfeo spares.
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    My favorite Bruckner Eighth and Ninth with Knappertsbusch and the Berlin Philharmonic on Tahra

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brahmsianhorn View Post
    Finally, again from the 1951 reopening of Bayreuth we have this Gotterdammerung with a fantastic cast and in great sound. If only it were a complete cycle!

    According to Culshaw in Ring Resounding Gotterdamerung was the only part of the cycle worth rehearing. The others were recorded but discarded because performances were full of mistakes or things went wrong. Gotterdamerung was to be released but contractual issues delayed it until the Testament issue.

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    His version of Schubert's 9th (VPO 1957 live, M&A) may be my favorite. I also have a soft spot for the Brahms 2nd piano concerto with Curzon.

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