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    Quote Originally Posted by BabyGiraffe View Post
    Don't get hurt - it's just a little use of hyperbolization.

    Since this topic is on Tymoczko - People, check his website - all his articles there are way better resource than his book, if you are after technical explanations behind his theory of voice leading (which, in the end doesn't give any novel insights, since 12 equal is pretty much very well explored as harmonic resource; but not as melodic one, judging from popular and classical music).
    I'm not hurt; and I especially appreciate the link you so thoughtfully provided.

    I'd like to hear you to say something good about our 12; like, it's almost stacked fifths except for that comma. Think you can muster it?
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    Interesting what he goes on to say about the limits of set theory. An awful lot of music has been written from <013568A>, not so much from the other 34 7-note cells

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bwv 1080 View Post
    Interesting what he goes on to say about the limits of set theory. An awful lot of music has been written from <013568A>, not so much from the other 34 7-note cells
    Why do you suppose that is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by millionrainbows View Post
    Why do you suppose that is?
    Piano layout is my guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BabyGiraffe View Post
    Piano layout is my guess.
    You think it might have to do with the layout of the scale intervals in the octave, which coincides with the piano layout, and is thus suited for CP harmonic practices? Get deeper. Your thoughts on this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by millionrainbows View Post
    Debussy? Was his music full of counterpoint?
    Debussy often sounds like he's overriding the constraints of counterpoint to achieve the kind of harmonic freedom he wants for his music.



    compared to say,


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    Yes, especially all those parallel major triads; those really sound contrapuntal.

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