View Poll Results: Overall, what do you think of Regietheater opera productions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Itullian View Post
    Great. A clown in a truck
    I wonder... when was the last time Bayreuth made a traditional production?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barbebleu View Post
    Is this out yet? I can’t see it on Amazon.co.uk. I do have it on MP4 but I would like a Blue-Ray of it.
    The Blu-ray is available on U.S. Amazon--though in a regional format that won't play in the Western hemisphere. Go figure.
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    Thank you. It’s not clear whether or not this is Blue-Ray. I shall investigate further. I really enjoyed this production. For me it had many illuminating moments and it was beautifully acted and extremely well sung all round. I think I posted on this on another thread, the title of which escapes me for the moment.
    "...it is said that first your heart sings, then you play. I think if it is not like that, then it is only just combination of notes, isn't it? " - Pandit Nikhil Banerjee, Master of the Sitar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by annaw View Post
    I wonder... when was the last time Bayreuth made a traditional production?
    Probably sometime in the nineteenth century
    "...it is said that first your heart sings, then you play. I think if it is not like that, then it is only just combination of notes, isn't it? " - Pandit Nikhil Banerjee, Master of the Sitar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barbebleu View Post
    Probably sometime in the nineteenth century
    1883 might have been the last time .

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    Quote Originally Posted by annaw View Post
    I wonder... when was the last time Bayreuth made a traditional production?
    I believe it was when Peter Hall produced the ring

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidA View Post
    I believe it was when Peter Hall produced the ring
    That would have been the centenary ring in 1983 with Solti at the helm. I have the audio of that Ring and I think it’s excellent. Solti in the theatre was a different creature from the studio one!
    "...it is said that first your heart sings, then you play. I think if it is not like that, then it is only just combination of notes, isn't it? " - Pandit Nikhil Banerjee, Master of the Sitar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barbebleu View Post
    That would have been the centenary ring in 1983 with Solti at the helm. I have the audio of that Ring and I think it’s excellent. Solti in the theatre was a different creature from the studio one!
    I think that’s the great thing about Bayreuth recordings! They bring out different aspects of conductors and singers while enabling to follow the development of their interpretation. When it comes to productions, I think I’d prefer Wieland Wagner’s stagings to many other modern ones. Especially when it comes to operas like Tristan which have less stage action anyways. It’s a different case with Die Meistersinger, I guess. At least in their essence, many Wieland Wagner’s productions remained traditional. By that I mean that he didn’t try to give them a new meaning but maybe to bring out the deeper meaning even more. If I recall correctly then Hotter, who obviously was quite a tradutionalist, wrote that while it took time to get used to, the singers didn’t have huge problems with those stagings otherwise (with a few exceptions like the Die Meistersinger I suppose).

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    Quote Originally Posted by annaw View Post
    I wonder... when was the last time Bayreuth made a traditional production?
    I believe the productions were *all* pretty traditional--and getting quite threadbare--up until World War II. It was only after the war, with the reopening of the theater in 1951, that Wieland Wagner dispensed with the old trappings and took things in a more abstract, pared-down direction (for both ideological and economic reasons).
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    Quote Originally Posted by amfortas View Post
    I believe the productions were *all* pretty traditional--and getting quite threadbare--up until World War II. It was only after the war, with the reopening of the theater in 1951, that Wieland Wagner dispensed with the old trappings and took things in a more abstract, pared-down direction (for both ideological and economic reasons).
    Yeah, the older Wagners seemed to be quite traditional. I recall an amusing remark which Winifred Wagner, who disliked the production, made about Chereau Ring: "Isn't it better to be furious than to be bored?"

    It would be a dream to see a truly traditional Ring at Bayreuth though!
    Last edited by annaw; Jul-03-2020 at 12:58.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amfortas View Post
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    I’ve ordered it. Yay!
    "...it is said that first your heart sings, then you play. I think if it is not like that, then it is only just combination of notes, isn't it? " - Pandit Nikhil Banerjee, Master of the Sitar.

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    I’ve ordered it. It is the Blue-Ray. Should arrive by next Friday.
    "...it is said that first your heart sings, then you play. I think if it is not like that, then it is only just combination of notes, isn't it? " - Pandit Nikhil Banerjee, Master of the Sitar.

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    This is an interesting article about the Bayreuth 2018 Tannhäuser.

    https://www.dw.com/en/tannhäuser-at-...ide/a-49751299
    "...it is said that first your heart sings, then you play. I think if it is not like that, then it is only just combination of notes, isn't it? " - Pandit Nikhil Banerjee, Master of the Sitar.

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