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    Default Request: New sub-forum in the Opera section

    Would it be possible to create a sub-forum in the Opera section for YouTube threads?

    There are so many of them in the general opera forum that discussion threads get buried very quickly, and members find it difficult to navigate the main discussion:

    Too Many YouTube Video Threads

    An "Opera on YouTube" sub-forum will be handy for the daily threads (lots of activity) and also for posting interesting things people find on YouTube (of which there is plenty). Seems like there would be enough activity to justify a separate sub-forum.


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    I think this is an excellent idea. The discussion has really suffered and I think this solution would benefit everyone :-)

    I think threads that are discussion based, but include YouTube videos should remain where they are. The videos definitely add to the discussion in most cases. But the threads that are nothing but YouTube videos, such as favorite aria, male aria, female aria, overture, duet, chorus, mezzo arias, soprano aria, and the YouTube thread itself etc should be moved to the new sub-forum imo.

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    Yeah there's bound to be some overlap, discussion threads with videos posted in them and so on, but threads that are specifically about a video or videos on YouTube would go into this new sub-forum.

    Maybe it will end up being just the daily activity threads, but with so much interesting opera content on YouTube I see plenty of opportunity for YT-based threads.

    Combining all the daily YT threads into a single "Currently watching on YouTube" thread would also solve the problem, but might be difficult to manage.

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    I agree with Helgi.
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    I agree with this request and think it would work best along the lines that Bonetan has suggested. Not all threads with YouTube videos in need to go into the YouTube sub-forum, just the daily postings of YouTube videos.

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    Could we have an update on this?

    Thanks.

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    The major problem I can foresee with this is that we will wind up with two similar discussion forums for Opera, one with videos and another without, with many threads covering the same topics.

    Quite often there is discussion following a video post; so where does that "discussion" get placed, in the Opera Video or Opera Non-Video fora? There would be overlap for sure.

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    Why the need to post the videos? Why not just the link?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krummhorn View Post
    The major problem I can foresee with this is that we will wind up with two similar discussion forums for Opera, one with videos and another without, with many threads covering the same topics.

    Quite often there is discussion following a video post; so where does that "discussion" get placed, in the Opera Video or Opera Non-Video fora? There would be overlap for sure.

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    The issue here I gather from the other post on the subject is the existence of many threads in the opera forum that are posted to almost every day by the same member. No discussion, just video after video after video (would a blog not be more suited for that?). I had about eight of these threads open for linking here, but they crashed my browser.
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    I agree that there should be an opera on YouTube sub-forum. I think it would make things much more organized.

    From what I see, it probably would aid the discussion. I haven't gone to the opera section page much recently. Most of the time I browse the opera threads I'm already subscribed to because when I go to the opera section, it is full of the video threads. Sometimes I might not always notice new threads because I don't regularly check the main opera page. The video threads do seem to crowd out other things.

    Also, don't get me wrong. I'm not in any way angry at those who like to regularly post videos in those kind of threads. Personally I watch probably more YouTube than I should, so when I come here, I just don't have the energy or need to watch any more videos. Those threads just aren't for me. But those that like them should by all means enjoy them.

    Having a separate sub-forum for video threads could also act as a signal as to what thread the OP is looking for. Sometimes I wonder if some members start threads looking for discussion when they post "Favorite This" or "Best That" type of threads then stop viewing them because others thought the thread was for videos.

    As for which thread goes where, any thread that is more of a systematic, post-everyday video thread could go in the YouTube sub-forum. It's fairly clear what threads fit the bill by just scrolling through a few pages.
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    i agree with this. here's what the forum looks like every night without fail:

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    between the stickies and the 10 straight youtube threads, you have to scroll pretty far down to even get to an actual discussion topic.

    i wouldn't at all mind if we just got rid of these youtube threads altogether. i fail to see why these threads have any value--we can use the youtube search box too.

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    I'm puzzled about the "scrolling down" issue. Do we really have active members who find it a chore to scroll down from page to page looking for threads of interest? It takes very little time to scroll for 2 or three pages. Some of the posters here seem to feel that a thread that is toward the bottom of a page 1 is dead in the water.

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    As mentioned above best to wait and attempt to resolve this issue at a later date - by that time the threads may have run their course and the question about what, if anything, to do will be moot...
    Last edited by Duncan; Jul-08-2020 at 19:33.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bulldog View Post
    I'm puzzled about the "scrolling down" issue. Do we really have active members who find it a chore to scroll down from page to page looking for threads of interest? It takes very little time to scroll for 2 or three pages. Some of the posters here seem to feel that a thread that is toward the bottom of a page 1 is dead in the water.
    Actually, the sheer number of these sorts of threads, which are high volume and low participation, does clutter up the listing to the extent that I actually *do* miss threads that are of interest to me. I have the same problem with spam in my personal email - when there's a lot of it, I miss important email because I'm not seeing it amid the clutter.

    Given that these YouTube threads appear to have very, very limited viewership on TC, it might be better for the member who posts there to start his or her own blog.
    Last edited by wkasimer; Jul-08-2020 at 16:01.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bulldog View Post
    I'm puzzled about the "scrolling down" issue. Do we really have active members who find it a chore to scroll down from page to page looking for threads of interest? It takes very little time to scroll for 2 or three pages. Some of the posters here seem to feel that a thread that is toward the bottom of a page 1 is dead in the water.
    as someone who works in online, i can tell you that having to filter through noise to get to signal has a major and very measurable impact to engagement. of course, it's no personal hardship but i would think the site admins would care very much if a change they can make can improve engagement.

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