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    UNT theory prof and editor of Schenkerian analysis journal under fire for defending Schenker (the Jew whose wife was murdered in the Holocaust) and Schenkerian analysis charges of white supremacy.

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/...I_FA20ISHygWXU

    Jackson’s response that led the mob to call for his head is here:

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dTO...vG3-ngnmG/view

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    Cancel Culture is totally nuts. Almost always based on assumptions created by false or partial information rather than historical knowledge.

    I took two Schenkerian analysis courses and not once did we explore the man himself. What's next? Get rid of solfege because Guido d'Arezzo might have been a slave owner?
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    GASP

    I will do some reading on this before posting any comment... but it does bring back memories of sitting in a classroom staring at the barebone of tonal music while wondering "why is this even necessary?" I did it just to fulfill a requirement. ^^

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vasks View Post
    Cancel Culture is totally nuts. Almost always based on assumptions created by false or partial information rather than historical knowledge.

    I took two Schenkerian analysis courses and not once did we explore the man himself. What's next? Get rid of solfege because Guido d'Arezzo might have been a slave owner?
    I agree, I feel that the majority of political discourse today is based on projection and preconceived notions (often false or exaggerated). Perhaps it was always this way to some degree but there seems to be an ever decreasing amount of good faith and empathy today.

    Certainly when it comes to historical figures I believe we cannot judge them by todays standards. I’d like to divorce someone’s work from the creator; Sadly society seems to be taking the opposite view.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bwv 1080 View Post
    UNT theory prof and editor of Schenkerian analysis journal under fire for defending Schenker (the Jew whose wife was murdered in the Holocaust) and Schenkerian analysis charges of white supremacy.

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/...I_FA20ISHygWXU

    Jackson’s response that led the mob to call for his head is here:

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dTO...vG3-ngnmG/view
    I read Tim Jackson's whole essay and part of Philip Ewell's article to which he was responding. I knew and corresponded with Jackson briefly in the late 90s, which is why I was interested enough to read his whole response.

    First of all, the gradual cancellation of Schenkerian theory, especially in its orthodox manifestation, has been going on since at least 1980. Given its current diminished status and lack of centrality in academia, and, as Vasks points out, the irrelevance of Schenker's personal beliefs, I think Ewell's attacks on Schenker's putative racism are cheap shooting and lame. But boy did Jackson step in it in the second half of his response when he plays what-about with hip-hop artists and condescendingly instructs African Americans on what they and their families need to do to achieve greater representation in academic music theory. This affair is a total $hi†show from both sides, but I'm not surprised they're after Jackson's head. I am surprised that such a good musician and scrupulous scholar could be so tone-deaf (figuratively speaking).

    Ugh!
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    We have the usual nonsense from the so-called ‘schools of learning’ with this kind of unreasoned facile mob rule replacing intellectual discussion. Mind you we had it in my day - just not so widespread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EdwardBast View Post
    I read Tim Jackson's whole essay and part of Philip Ewell's article to which he was responding. I knew and corresponded with Jackson briefly in the late 90s, which is why I was interested enough to read his whole response.

    First of all, the gradual cancellation of Schenkerian theory, especially in its orthodox manifestation, has been going on since at least 1980. Given its current diminished status and lack of centrality in academia, and, as Vasks points out, the irrelevance of Schenker's personal beliefs, I think Ewell's attacks on Schenker's putative racism are cheap shooting and lame. But boy did Jackson step in it in the second half of his response when he plays what-about with hip-hop artists and condescendingly instructs African Americans on what they and their families need to do to achieve greater representation in academic music theory. This affair is a total $hi†show from both sides, but I'm not surprised they're after Jackson's head. I am surprised that such a good musician and scrupulous scholar could be so tone-deaf (figuratively speaking).

    Ugh!
    Oh my God. I see what you mean about Jackson stepping in it! "Ewell's denunciation of Schenker and Schenkerian analysis may be seen as part and parcel of the much broader current of Black anti-Semitism." And then to elaborate at length from there . . . what sort of reaction did Jackson *expect*?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vasks View Post
    Cancel Culture is totally nuts. Almost always based on assumptions created by false or partial information rather than historical knowledge.

    I took two Schenkerian analysis courses and not once did we explore the man himself. What's next? Get rid of solfege because Guido d'Arezzo might have been a slave owner?
    Quite possibly; dangerous, resentful people want to destroy all the underpinnings of the success of other people - no matter who, why or how. This cohort is no different to the bolsheviks or nazis - this was their stock in trade. That and 'Pravda truths".
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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidA View Post
    We have the usual nonsense from the so-called ‘schools of learning’ with this kind of unreasoned facile mob rule replacing intellectual discussion. Mind you we had it in my day - just not so widespread.
    Mob rule. And a lot of it in universities. As a friend said about it all; these people are using their voices to get what they want just as they did when they were children. I think it's more dangerous than that. At the moment the only thing missing is the uniforms!!

    Leave Schenker alone; he's decomposing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Christabel View Post
    Quite possibly; dangerous, resentful people want to destroy all the underpinnings of the success of other people - no matter who, why or how. This cohort is no different to the bolsheviks or nazis - this was their stock in trade. That and 'Pravda truths".
    Yes, and soon people will realize that the only truth is the collective truth of the State.
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    Quote Originally Posted by millionrainbows View Post
    Yes, and soon people will realize that the only truth is the collective truth of the State.
    Sends a shiver down the spine, doesn't it!!! We've seen it all before and there are always lots of body bags. As my Polish friend and physician says 'it only takes a few thousand idiots to start a revolution'. He lived under Communism in Poland, abandoning that country for Australia in 2000.

    The dead should be left in peace, unless they were evil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Christabel View Post
    Sends a shiver down the spine, doesn't it!!! We've seen it all before and there are always lots of body bags. As my Polish friend and physician says 'it only takes a few thousand idiots to start a revolution'. He lived under Communism in Poland, abandoning that country for Australia in 2000.
    Yes, if Schenkerian analysis goes, can the body bags be far behind?

    "First they came for the Schenkerian's, and I said nothing …"

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    Quote Originally Posted by EdwardBast View Post
    Yes, if Schenkerian analysis goes, can the body bags be far behind?

    "First they came for the Schenkerian's, and I said nothing …"
    The march continues - Schenker is just a tiny fragment of that disgusting white patriarchy. Another tiny domino to knock over on the long march. Cue envy and hatred.

    "I destroy the joint because it doesn't allow me to grow rich".
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    … Then they came for the neo-Riemannians. I wasn't a neo-Riemannian, so I said nothing. After that they came for the set theorists and still I kept my yap shut, for I am not a set theorist. Next they came for the post-structuralists, but since I was not a post-structuralist I just sort of whistled and shuffled my feet and let them drag the sorry post-structuralists away. Won't miss that bunch of slackers. A few days later they came for the feminist theorists, and while I am a feminist, I don't theorize about it, so I didn't lose any sleep. I must admit I got a little nervous when they came for the semioticians, for in my youth I did carelessly quote Peirce a couple of times. Just to impress people really. But they passed me by and now I feel untouchable. Invincible even. I got a good chuckle when they tried to round up the musical narrative theorists. Good luck with that! Like herding a bunch of cats, what with all the formalists, and New Critical theorists, and radical constructionists going in different directions. Then they came for …


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    … Finally they came for me, but by that time they were pretty bedraggled from persecuting, arresting and reeducating multitudes who, frankly, were barely educable in the first place. A grim looking fellow holding a big cancel stamp dripping red ink cornered me in a dark alley and said: "What the hell is a crypto-anarchist deconstructionist anyway?" I took a deep breath and began with a brief historical overview of the movement but before I could even get through the introduction the guy heaved a big sigh, dropped his stamp on the pavement and, slowly shaking his head, said: "Man, I have to get a life." He shuffled off into the night with his formerly zealous totalitarian buddies until his peg-leg got woodworm and broke into three.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EdwardBast View Post
    … Then they came for the neo-Riemannian's. I wasn't a neo-Riemannian, so I said nothing. After that they came for the set theorists and still I kept my yap shut, for I am not a set theorist. Next they came for the post-structuralists, but since I was not a post-structuralist I just sort of whistled and shuffled my feet and let them drag the sorry post-structuralists away. Won't miss that bunch of slackers. A few days later they came for the feminist theorists, and while I am a feminist, I don't theorize about it, so I didn't lose any sleep. I must admit I got a little nervous when they came for the semioticians, for in my youth I did carelessly quote Peirce a couple of times. Just to impress people really. But they passed me by and now I feel untouchable. Invincible even. I got a good chuckle when they tried to round up the musical narrative theorists. Good luck with that! Like herding a bunch of cats, what with all the formalists, and New Critical theorists, and radical constructionists going in different directions. Then they came for …


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    … Finally they came for me, but by that time they were pretty bedraggled from persecuting, arresting and reeducating multitudes who, frankly, were barely educable in the first place. A grim looking fellow holding a big cancel stamp dripping read ink cornered me in a dark alley and said: "What the hell is a crypto-anarchist deconstructionist anyway?" I took a deep breath and began with a brief historical overview of the movement but before I could even get through the introduction the guy heaved a big sigh, dropped his stamp on the pavement and, slowly shaking his head, said: "Man, I have to get a life." He shuffled off into the night with his formerly zealous totalitarian buddies until his peg-leg got woodworm and broke into three.
    Take the rest of the week off!!!!

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