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    Anybody have an interest in neoclassical music? If so, discuss.

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    Neoclassical is important at this time. It's like a bridge between two worlds, which is funny because it saved me from being totally disillusioned with music altogether: for me, mainstream belonged to the dull (and still does), and Classical music was long-winded. Then I became acquainted with different types of neoclassical music which had (more or less) the accessibility and modern relevance of one, with the potential for honesty and beauty of the other.

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    Kraftwerk, Tangerine Dream, King Crimson, Sol Invictus, Klaus Schulze, Dead Can Dance, Lustmord, Demilich, Summoning, Graveland, Immortal, Burzum

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    I thought neoclassical music was Poulenc, Stravinsky, Honegger, Delius...

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    But then this thread would not have been submitted to the non-classical music forum. Neoclassical in a modern sense describes music that shares something of the ideals and shape of Classical music, but in a technologically updated form, as well as having a sense of urgency in the modern era (compact songs). I think this definition excludes The Beatles but embraces Dead Can Dance.

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    I like the genre (or is it sub-genre?), but I haven't found any neo-classical bands that I'm really into. I do like Yngwie Malmsteen and Michael Angelo Batio's work, though.

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    Saturnus is partly right, those composers did indeed use classical ideas in their music, rendering it neoclassical but that was by no means their primary focus. I think what SchubertObsessive is trying to get at are the living composers that focus mainly on producing neoclasical music.

    It's always been something that interests me, but I've never delved into it. I've only heard Prokofiev's Classical Symphony and a quartet by a chap named Hamburg that was quite nice, and a very good example of neoclassicism.

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    Dead Can Dance are really amazing with it.I recently got into them for sampling material,but their music is just great.They use all these rare instruments that no one else really uses and everything,and it's all so dark and spiritual,just perfect..

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    I'm a big Tangerine Dream fan... and some of Brian Eno's work which I like verges on neoclassicalcism.
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    I often get it mixed up too, is Prokofiev's Classical Symphony "neo-classical"? or Schoeberg's "Tonal" compositions? Aren't they also pretty "neo-classical"?

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    I'm not exactly sure what Neo-classical is, I thought it was a specific genre of music/guitar style but I have gathered from the variety of bands Schubert posted and his description of it that it is more of a feeling thing. As thus these are some bands/artists I enjoy and would class as neoclassical.

    I like a lot of black metal i.e. darkthrone, immortal, emperor and to a lesser extent Burzum. I also like metallica, whom I say, take quite a lot from classical music (I'm not talking about S&M). As well, I like some heavier stuff such as Nile and Necrophagist who are both strongly influenced by classical styles. Also a lot of the more modern electronic music i.e. Venetian Snares and Aphex Twin is becoming more and more influenced by classical styles.

    These are just a few of the many I like but they pretty much cover the styles of music I enjoy and would classify under this title.

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    Schoeberg's "Tonal" compositions?
    No, that is not. They are his early compositions and are just romantic music.

    Also, tonal music isn't the benchmark of 20c composers. Half stayed tonal, or there abouts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yagan Kiely View Post
    No, that is not. They are his early compositions and are just romantic .
    I think you are right, I re-listened some of the stringquartets, and I'll have say that it is no different from any composers from the romantic era.

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    Neo-classical is probably one of the terms I dislike the most when describing music. Possibly because I always had a hard time finding bands that would fit the name. I find the term "neo-classical" mostly useless when it comes to music. In the way it is used today, we could create a subgenre called neo-classical for every major music genre and then throw in the bands/artists with classical influences...

    I think it's rather easy to classify all the bands that were previously mentioned in other musical genre that would fit much better than "neo-classical". For example, darkthrone, burzum, immortal, emperor and graveland are clearly black metal bands and have nothing to do with neoclassicism other than the general influence that classical music had/has on metal. The same thing goes for say King Crimson and porg. rock or Lustmord and ambient.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BuddhaBandit View Post
    I'm a big Tangerine Dream fan... and some of Brian Eno's work which I like verges on neoclassicalcism.
    Especially with Fripp involved!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raphaël-A. View Post
    I think it's rather easy to classify all the bands that were previously mentioned in other musical genre that would fit much better than "neo-classical". For example, darkthrone, burzum, immortal, emperor and graveland are clearly black metal bands and have nothing to do with neoclassicism other than the general influence that classical music had/has on metal. The same thing goes for say King Crimson and porg. rock or Lustmord and ambient.
    "Neoclassicism" refers to a particular spiritual and intellectual direction, rather than a discrete genre (like pretty much all artistic "isms" (for instance, "Romanticism" encompassed many genres: from poetry, to horror fiction to opera). It should be fairly obvious to anyone whose intellect rises above that of the lower primates that we're not talking about mutually exclusive categories.

    Obviously, Burzum and Venom are both 'black metal,' and Kraftwerk isn't. Equally obviously, Kraftwerk and Burzum share a basic philosophical and compositional stance that isn't found in Venom --> neoclassical.

    Duh.

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