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    I'm curious to who you feel are great living actors/actresses, and who you feel is overrated?

    I think an obvious choice is Christian Bale as a great actor.

    Side topic: who was the best Joker in any Batman film? I was completely immersed with Joaquin Phoenix as Joker, and never felt Heath Ledger's was as great as people claimed. But I've read a view of Phoenix as self-indulgent as Joker, and respect that view.

    Another side topic: does the Method acting style work?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil loves classical View Post
    I'm curious to who you feel are great living actors/actresses, and who you feel is overrated?

    I think an obvious choice is Christian Bale as a great actor.

    Side topic: who was the best Joker in any Batman film? I was completely immersed with Joaquin Phoenix as Joker, and never felt Heath Ledger's was as great as people claimed. But I've read a view of Phoenix as self-indulgent as Joker, and respect that view.

    Another side topic: does the Method acting style work?
    I’ve admired Christian Bale since the first film in which I saw him - Empire Of The Sun, by Steven Spielberg 1987. The film’s events are seen through the child’s eyes.

    As far as your query on the Joker goes, the Joaquin Phoenix film is not a Batman movie, but a Joker movie, so to compare the characters or the effectiveness of the characters or the performances of the actors as that character would be unbalanced, in my view.

    That said, I did not see Joker, and saw The Dark Knight too long ago to remember whether Heath Ledger was as good as all that. The Joker is always an over the top character and so flashy it’s hard to ignore him or not notice him. All I can say about Heath Ledger’s performance is that it was more disturbing than the others.

    A whole film about that character would be too much.
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    Who are a few of your favourite actors? I'm curious since you've watched so many movies, especially older ones, and want to see how that perspective travels with more current actors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil loves classical View Post
    Who are a few of your favourite actors? I'm curious since you've watched so many movies, especially older ones, and want to see how that perspective travels with more current actors.
    I’m not sure I have a favorite actor/actress anymore. I used to love Gina Lollobrigida from my teenage years. Of course I liked global favorites liked Audrey Hepburn and Marilyn Monroe for their beauty and unique acting styles. The “studio system” produced stars like Greta Garbo, Clark Gable, Bette Davis, Joan Crawford, Rock Hudson, James Dean, Marlon Brando, Elizabeth Taylor, Judy Garland, and hundreds of others. Some of their movies are deservedly classics, others just minor projects of their studios (MGM, Warner Brothers, Paramount, 20th Century Fox, RKO, Universal).

    Some of the actors I admire for their work in a film, like Charlton Heston for Ben-Hur and other mega-productions (El Cid, The Ten Comandments, The Greatest Show On Earth); Gerard Depardieu for Cyrano de Bergerac; Alain Delon for Plein Soleil (Purple Noon); Chris Hemsworth for the Thor films, the perfect pairing of the actor and role; Matt Damon for the Jason Bourne films; Henry Cavill for the Superman films; Helen Mirren for embodying Jane Tennison in the TV series; Judy Dench as M in the James Bond franchise; Daniel Craig as James Bond; Christian Bale as the best-acted Batman in his Batman series; Chris Pine for Captain Kirk in the reboot of the Star Trek films; Colin Firth in the heartbreaking A Single Man, Timothee Chalamet in the equally heartbreaking Call Me By Your Name. Who can forget Marlon Brando as The Godfather or as Stanley in A Streetcar Named Desire; or Vivien Leigh in the same movie, or as Scarlett O’Hara in Gone With The Wind? There is Jane Fonda who seems to inhabit all of her characters, from the ditzy wife in A Period of Adjustment to her star turn in Klute and They Shoot Horses, Don’t They?. There are others that I can’t recall right now.

    Of the current crop, Emily Blunt doesn’t put a foot wrong; Nicholas Hoult is both and excellent actor and an attractive face; Meryl Streep is peerless in everything that I’ve seen. I haven’t seen many movies in 2018 - 2020, so the more current bunch are unrepresented.

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    I should not forget Ingrid Bergman for luminous performances in Gaslight, Casablanca, Notorious, Anastasia, and The Bells of St. Mary’s.
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    Overrated: Kevin Costner, with the possible exception of "Dances with Wolves". Otherwise I've seen sleepwalkers with more variety of expression.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Animal the Drummer View Post
    Overrated: Kevin Costner, with the possible exception of "Dances with Wolves". Otherwise I've seen sleepwalkers with more variety of expression.
    I don't think I heard of him being a good actor necessarily. But I feel the same. Ever watch 3000 Miles to Graceland? I thought he played a pretty good villain there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Animal the Drummer View Post
    Overrated: Kevin Costner, with the possible exception of "Dances with Wolves". Otherwise I've seen sleepwalkers with more variety of expression.
    Certainly Dances with Wolves was the pinnacle of his career.

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    Joker:

    All of the different actors who've played The Joker have brought their own interpretation to the character. It's not really fair to compare.

    Now if you want to compare actors who have played real people, like JFK, or Nixon, Trump, or even Hitler, then an actor with their own "interpretation" of a non-fictional character would be derided.

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    Tom Cruise and Tom Hanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wkasimer View Post
    Tom Cruise and Tom Hanks.
    You mean great or overrated?
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    I dont really have a favorite actor/actress, I like most of them. There are a couple I am not too keen on. Among those are Tom Cruise and John Travolta. I find Cruise very arrogant and cant forget him that he was part of the scientology sect, and this personal antipathy overshadows all of his acting talent. Among the actresses, I dislike Gwyneth Paltrow
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil loves classical View Post
    I'm curious to who you feel are great living actors/actresses, and who you feel is overrated?
    I tend to go to the movies to see stories I like, rather than actors. That means that I tend only to call to mind those actors I've actually seen, rather than have an opinion on, say, Brad Pitt or Penelope Cruz (two that popped into my mind at random) out of context.

    So, I've seen Christian Bale in a number of films (11), but in the parts I've seen him in, he's tended to play cold and/or unattractive characters. So, is he typecast? Or is he consistent?

    On the other hand, I've enjoyed Hugh Jackman in almost everything I've seen him play (roughly 11 - all those X-Men/Logan films, I've lost track of what I've seen and what I haven't). Does that mean something of his personality shines through regardless, or just he just pick more sympathetic roles? Not in Prisoners!

    I do like Emma Thompson and Meryl Streep (more for her later movies than her earlier). I wonder at the appeal of Cameron Diaz.

    Frankly, there's too many for me to think about - I'll wait and see who else gets a mention.

    [add]I thought Kevin Costner did good work in The Untouchables and A Perfect World..in fact, I can see a number of films that I've seen and enjoyed - JFK, Wyatt Earp, Robin Hood...(not Waterworld, though that wasn't his fault)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil loves classical View Post
    You mean great or overrated?
    Overrated. Cruise has been playing the same character since "Risky Business", and Hanks has been playing Tom Hanks for the past two decades.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacLeod View Post
    So, I've seen Christian Bale in a number of films (11), but in the parts I've seen him in, he's tended to play cold and/or unattractive characters. So, is he typecast? Or is he consistent?

    On the other hand, I've enjoyed Hugh Jackman in almost everything I've seen him play (roughly 11 - all those X-Men/Logan films, I've lost track of what I've seen and what I haven't). Does that mean something of his personality shines through regardless, or just he just pick more sympathetic roles? Not in Prisoners!
    I agree, although I thought that his character in Ford vs. Ferrari was pretty sympathetic.

    [add]I thought Kevin Costner did good work in The Untouchables and A Perfect World..in fact, I can see a number of films that I've seen and enjoyed - JFK, Wyatt Earp, Robin Hood...(not Waterworld, though that wasn't his fault)
    His character in Waterworld needed someone like Joaquin Phoenix.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wkasimer View Post
    I agree, although I thought that his character in Ford vs. Ferrari was pretty sympathetic.
    I had a feeling that might be the case - it's one I've not seen.

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