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    Quote Originally Posted by SanAntone View Post
    As anyone can see from your posts, I was not projecting anything. Your posts were describing your idea that the Western classical tradition ought to be what all musicians aspire to join. I was arguing for the validity of their own culture and tradition.

    I was responding to your words, not any strawman.
    If you really believe that from the posts above, there is no point discussing anything further with you

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bwv 1080 View Post
    If you really believe that from the posts above, there is no point discussing anything further with you
    Are you denying what you wrote? You repeated more than once a desire for non-Western musicians to pursue composing in the European classical music.

    Why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amadea View Post
    No I am not, I'm actually 26, like my profile says. May I ask you if you watched the video fully and considered all the implications of it? Otherwise, the discussion is pointless. The title of the video changed into "Music Theory and White Supremacy" and the video itself doesn't say the music theory itself is racist, rather the way it is taught, how the Schenkerian analysis which is widely taught in USA can be used to prove classical's music superiority to other types of music (non-european music) such as blues, jazz, rock, asian music, etc. being Schenker racist himself. I explained it poorly but the video explains better. I think it is something to think about. I often see classical music lovers and even musicians talking about the superiority of classical music basing exactly on "music theory" (the style of european composers) and I think it's wrong. Sorry, what exactly is so "teenish" about what I said? It should be pretty obvious that if you judge blues with the canons you judge Beethoven then blues is gonna look like trash music. But apparently, many don't get that is the wrong approach to music in general.
    No worries; I was just poking at you.

    I have watched the full video; I think he and his interviewee make some interesting points which get at fundamental flaws in music education and the public perception of music theory. The whole way we think about, use, and teach music theory must be rethought IMO.

    You just sounded like a 15 y/o, that's all. Maybe English isn't your first language (if so, you speak it quite well) and you've only been exposed to it for 15 years. I'm sorry for making fun of your rhetoric.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SanAntone View Post
    Are you denying what you wrote? You repeated more than once a desire for non-Western musicians to pursue composing in the European classical music.

    Why?
    He never even said that once.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BrahmsWasAGreatMelodist View Post
    He never even said that once.
    He wrote several posts about non-Westerns pursuing European classical music and in response to my saying that they had their own traditions to pursue.

    Why else would he continue to suggest that non-Westerns pursue European classical music unless he thought that was a more worthwhile music for them to work in?

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