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    Quote Originally Posted by Flamme View Post
    I'm sorry but thats how ''protesters'' usually ''solve'' the alleged racism...
    As Malcolm X said, "by any means necessary." It's about time we tore down those Confederate Jim Crow monuments. If that means tearing them down in a riot, then SO BE IT.
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    Omg, ok, I get it, I get it...Just a reminder that they will knock on your door last...lol Btw this ''homie'' doesnt look like he passed further Young Thug and similar...Artists...How he ended up in there in the first place, is a real head scratcher...
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    Funny but when I was employed the employer who paid my wages was also unreasonable enough to expect me to do what I told him. If you didn't you were given a warning and if you still acted in an insubordinately manner you were fired. This guy is making this out to be a racist issue when in fact it's just a matter of insubordination. If the fella had been white and had been fired for playing the wrong stuff would anyone have been making a fuss?
    Perhaps next time this guy (he plays the bassoon?) plays with an orchestra he should play a piece of his own choosing instead of the conductors?

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    Let's take the race out of the news story and nothing unusual is left about it. Just one guy did not follow proper procedure and got fired.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Handelian View Post
    Funny but when I was employed the employer who paid my wages was also unreasonable enough to expect me to do what I told him. If you didn't you were given a warning and if you still acted in an insubordinately manner you were fired. This guy is making this out to be a racist issue when in fact it's just a matter of insubordination. If the fella had been white and had been fired for playing the wrong stuff would anyone have been making a fuss?
    Perhaps next time this guy (he plays the bassoon?) plays with an orchestra he should play a piece of his own choosing instead of the conductors?
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    Let's take the race out of the news story and nothing unusual is left about it. Just one guy did not follow proper procedure and got fired.
    Context.

    Yes, he was fired for failing to follow directions to play songs on their "authorized" playlist.

    The difference here IS because

    1. He's the only black Classical DJ
    2. He was playing tracks to reflect his commentary on current civil rights issues and events.
    3. Management actually praised his effective DJ-ing

    The auspices under which he was fired is a prime example of following arbitrarily designed procedures to the letter, rather than allowing creativity in a creative field.

    Management could have just as easily allowed an exemption for him to play what he felt was appropriate (as long as it was within the limits of decency). It's not like this was some sort of health or safety issue - it was a bookkeeping matter of tracking tracks played.

    White DJs only for Classical Music?

    "Let's take the race out of the news story and nothing unusual is left about it."

    Take the race out of any racial issue and, naturally, there's no longer anything racial about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pianozach View Post
    Context.

    Yes, he was fired for failing to follow directions to play songs on their "authorized" playlist.

    The difference here IS because

    1. He's the only black Classical DJ
    2. He was playing tracks to reflect his commentary on current civil rights issues and events.
    3. Management actually praised his effective DJ-ing

    The auspices under which he was fired is a prime example of following arbitrarily designed procedures to the letter, rather than allowing creativity in a creative field.
    The DJ profession is not a creative field, and the fired person's commentary on matters of civil rights is outside his job description.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pianozach View Post
    Context.

    Yes, he was fired for failing to follow directions to play songs on their "authorized" playlist.

    The difference here IS because

    1. He's the only black Classical DJ
    2. He was playing tracks to reflect his commentary on current civil rights issues and events.
    3. Management actually praised his effective DJ-ing

    The auspices under which he was fired is a prime example of following arbitrarily designed procedures to the letter, rather than allowing creativity in a creative field.

    Management could have just as easily allowed an exemption for him to play what he felt was appropriate (as long as it was within the limits of decency). It's not like this was some sort of health or safety issue - it was a bookkeeping matter of tracking tracks played.

    White DJs only for Classical Music?

    "Let's take the race out of the news story and nothing unusual is left about it."

    Take the race out of any racial issue and, naturally, there's no longer anything racial about it.
    It was not a racial issue at all. He made it a racial issue. He was not doing what he was asked to do. If my editor wants me to write a story about X and I go and write a story about Y because I think I should he is not going to be too happy. Nothing to do with race just doing as you are told in your job. Like everybody else has to

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    ''Fired''! Like from a Cannon in D-Major...???
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    Take the race out of any racial issue and, naturally, there's no longer anything racial about it.
    That is the key to understand racial issues. That is what we should do - take the race out of the argument. We should talk about human dignity regardless of the skin colour.
    When someone points out his/hers or other persons skin colour they become racist right there. Slogan "black lives matter" is as racist as any other one that is based on skin colour.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pianozach View Post
    Context. . . .

    3. Management actually praised his effective DJ-ing

    . . .
    I think that this is the one part that makes the situation a bit complicated. If they actually did praise his DJ-ing (meaning that they praised the very changes that they later said were the cause of his firing), but told him not to do it anymore, then they were sending mixed signals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by millionrainbows View Post
    As Malcolm X said, "by any means necessary." It's about time we tore down those Confederate Jim Crow monuments. If that means tearing them down in a riot, then SO BE IT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JAS View Post
    I think that this is the one part that makes the situation a bit complicated. If they actually did praise his DJ-ing (meaning that they praised the very changes that they later said were the cause of his firing), but told him not to do it anymore, then they were sending mixed signals.
    Isn't it possible that there was a change in management? Praise might have changed into objections over the DJ not getting with the program.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bulldog View Post
    The DJ profession is not a creative field, and the fired person's commentary on matters of civil rights is outside his job description.
    Some djs do create magic, but art...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bulldog View Post
    Isn't it possible that there was a change in management? Praise might have changed into objections over the DJ not getting with the program.
    I suppose that is possible, but that was not noted in any descriptions I had seen. (Indeed, the implication was that it was the same management that praised and fired. If that is not the case, then the description lacks this important distinction and is perhaps intentionally misleading.) If that were the case, the new management only needed to issue an initial warning to reset the expectations. Failure to adhere to the new warning would be reasonable grounds for other actions, including being fired.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Handelian View Post
    Funny but when I was employed the employer who paid my wages was also unreasonable enough to expect me to do what I told him. If you didn't you were given a warning and if you still acted in an insubordinately manner you were fired. This guy is making this out to be a racist issue when in fact it's just a matter of insubordination. If the fella had been white and had been fired for playing the wrong stuff would anyone have been making a fuss?
    Perhaps next time this guy (he plays the bassoon?) plays with an orchestra he should play a piece of his own choosing instead of the conductors?
    The post-George Floyd era means black people don't have to follow rules if they don't feel like it and you, as a non-black person, have no right to complain about it. Indeed, it may be racist or even illegal (or should be) to complain. This station should be forced to hire not one black man to replace him but at least 10, and all of them should replace the top leadership. Racial utopia is just over the horizon.

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