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    When I was in high school I was the kid that didn't drink or smoke weed, was not athletic, was very shy around girls, was in the chess club, liked Star Wars, and classical music. That was in the 1980s, so I guess I was what you'd call a nerd. Back then I guess it alienated me from others to an extent; but if I was a teenager now, in the 2000s, maybe not so much, because now it's sort of "cool" to be a nerd, or that's what my teenage son, who likes chess, calculus class, and Star Wars tells me, anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coach G View Post
    When I was in high school I was the kid that didn't drink or smoke weed, was not athletic, was very shy around girls, was in the chess club, liked Star Wars, and classical music. That was in the 1980s, so I guess I was what you'd call a nerd. Back then I guess it alienated me from others to an extent; but if I was a teenager now, in the 2000s, may be not so much, because now it's sort of "cool" to be a nerd, or that's what my teenage son, who likes chess, calculus class, and Star Wars tells me, anyway.
    I went to high school in the 70's, and I was really the odd one out.

    I was part of the coolest group you could possibly be in, in Southern California in the 70's. The surfers, stoner group (although I hardly ever got stoned in those days). But I also got good grades in the sciences and math. But I was also part of an intellectual group, where the topics tended toward philosophy.

    Even back then, my tastes in music and art was well outside the norm: avantgarde progressive music, jazz fusion, free jazz, progressive jazz, post bop, and some years after high school, serial, avantgarde, 12 tone, atonal, 2nd Viennese school, classical music were added to the mix.
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    I always listened to music just on my own, but I like more genres than only classical. Also I'm kind of unaware of what people think so I never felt different because of the music I like. Maybe that's a consequence of listening to classical, heavy metal and Zappa Hey, what if I'm a weirdo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mbhaub View Post
    Being a classical listener can indeed be a lonely venture. I know hundreds of musicians, and even among them I'm the oddball. Some of them don't ever listen to classical, own a classical cd, or go to concerts - they play in an orchestra and play the music, but outside of that they are attuned to pop/rock/jazz. I know only one other person who is as addicted to buying cds, scores, and books as I am. When I was kid in high school, friends would get together and listen to some new album, say Rolling Stones. It meant nothing to me and I would go do other, more important thing, like listen to Beethoven. I have never been one to give in to peer pressure. Now as Medicare kicks in, I have even less tolerance for rock than when I was a kid. Life is too short to waste on junk music - or movies, books and booze for that matter. If my love of classical alienates people that's their problem. There's still some pent up frustration at parents and teachers I harbor for their non-understanding and rude things they said that I probably need to see a shrink about. But I've moved past it all and now, the weather is nice, I can put the top down on the roadster put on Wagner, Puccini, Beethoven and company, turn the volume way up and let people stare at me. I couldn't care less what they think.
    Oh man, how I dream about being able to do that! I have only owned one convertible (1963 Chevrolet Nova SS with three-on-the-tree) and that was long ago. So many times I pull up next to some idiot blasting his garbage music, bass thumping. How I would love to be able to put my top down and blast something like the Toccata from Monteverdi's L'Orfeo or first movement of Beethoven's 8th right back at them!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BachIsBest View Post
    Try being a 21-year-old non-drinker at a gathering of adults...
    I have been a non-drinker and non-drug user all my life (I will be 69 in a few months.) I started college in 1970 and at that time I grew my hair VERY long. I would love to be at parties and drink root beer or even sometimes milk. And when joints were passed around to me I would just take it and pass it on. The reactions I got were priceless...here is this guy with hair half way down his back drinking soda and not smoking dope.

    BachIsBest, turn down those drink offers proudly!
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    Rather than feel alienated by my love of CM I feel that others will often say they like CM too (sometimes to appear 'sophisticated', I suppose). However, after 2 minutes of discussion, it nearly always transpires that they don't like CM but may enjoy a few Classical Experience-type titbits of classical music or a 1 minute snippet from an advert. I have never met one single person in my normal, everyday life who is as enthusiastic as me about the music I love, hence I rarely discuss it with others. My closest friends and work colleagues know I love CM but it's not a topic we discuss, as they aren't interested. I come here for my fix instead with people who are equally or far more knowledgeable than me about this type of music. I'm not being snotty or elitist about that but I've met so many people over the years who 'say' they like CM then follow it up with "My favourite is Pachelbel's Canon'. That's the point the conversation invariably ends.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArtMusic View Post
    Classical music appeals to a smaller group from a general population perspective compared to other major genres. But there is...
    What are these other major genres? The only one I can think of is popular music.

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    When I was far younger, a school kid even, I was the only one of my circle who liked classical music. In the swinging sixties it was not normal. Then the School I attended started selling tickets behind the orchestra at Saturday night concerts for a shilling (now 5p). A few of us went and became good mates. And although the seats were designed by the Spanish Inquisition it was great watching the conductor. And we were young.
    Now I still go to the occasional Saturday night concert, not behind the Orchestra unfortunately, age and arthritis put paid to that or did before the pandemic and lockdown.
    I have a good neighbour and friend who is of Asian background. At no time was he exposed to classical music or so called culture. But to humour me he recently came to a concert. The programme was Russian, Prokoviev’s Classical, Tchaikovsky’s 2nd Concerto and the Pathetique. And he really enjoyed it. We’ve been to two more concerts since and he enjoyed both particularly Rachmaninov’s 2nd Concerto and the Pastoral Symphony. And William Tell which he recognised and the Lark ascending. I guess the point I am trying to make is that the main problem is that people are scared of classical music which they see as elistist. It probably doesn’t help that Orchestras tend to wear formal suits. But when they attend without prejudice they can enjoy it. Incidentally he now listened to classic fm on a regular basis.
    We’ve also enjoyed Gilbert and Sullivan, Kiss me Kate, cavalleria Rusticana, some Shakespeare at the local playhouse. And it is he who is really looking forward to continuing our explorations once we are able to do so.
    So maybe the problem is the lack of unprejudiced exposure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoff48 View Post
    When I was far younger, a school kid even, I was the only one of my circle who liked classical music. In the swinging sixties it was not normal. Then the School I attended started selling tickets behind the orchestra at Saturday night concerts for a shilling (now 5p). A few of us went and became good mates. And although the seats were designed by the Spanish Inquisition it was great watching the conductor. And we were young.
    Now I still go to the occasional Saturday night concert, not behind the Orchestra unfortunately, age and arthritis put paid to that or did before the pandemic and lockdown.
    I have a good neighbour and friend who is of Asian background. At no time was he exposed to classical music or so called culture. But to humour me he recently came to a concert. The programme was Russian, Prokoviev’s Classical, Tchaikovsky’s 2nd Concerto and the Pathetique. And he really enjoyed it. We’ve been to two more concerts since and he enjoyed both particularly Rachmaninov’s 2nd Concerto and the Pastoral Symphony. And William Tell which he recognised and the Lark ascending. I guess the point I am trying to make is that the main problem is that people are scared of classical music which they see as elistist. It probably doesn’t help that Orchestras tend to wear formal suits. But when they attend without prejudice they can enjoy it. Incidentally he now listened to classic fm on a regular basis.
    We’ve also enjoyed Gilbert and Sullivan, Kiss me Kate, cavalleria Rusticana, some Shakespeare at the local playhouse. And it is he who is really looking forward to continuing our explorations once we are able to do so.
    So maybe the problem is the lack of unprejudiced exposure.
    So maybe the question is not so much how classical music has alienated us who are it's devotees, but how classical music itself has alienated those who feel mystified by it. Though classical music is actually more populist than ever; once the music of the church, then the nobility, and later academia, it is now more accessible to all who may wish to seek and find it. Even so, the air of some snootiness remains. Classical music is still taught as musical appreciation and not musical enjoyment; more to be admired rather than loved.

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    I'm sure that your friend's new interest in classical music was inspired not because you taught him how to appreciate or admire it; but because you taught him, probably by your example, how to enjoy and love it.

    Score one for the good guys!
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    Having thought this over, I am sure that I'm quite capable of alienating people without the help of classical music.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoff48 View Post
    When I was far younger, a school kid even, I was the only one of my circle who liked classical music. In the swinging sixties it was not normal. Then the School I attended started selling tickets behind the orchestra at Saturday night concerts for a shilling (now 5p). A few of us went and became good mates. And although the seats were designed by the Spanish Inquisition it was great watching the conductor. And we were young.
    Now I still go to the occasional Saturday night concert, not behind the Orchestra unfortunately, age and arthritis put paid to that or did before the pandemic and lockdown.
    I have a good neighbour and friend who is of Asian background. At no time was he exposed to classical music or so called culture. But to humour me he recently came to a concert. The programme was Russian, Prokoviev’s Classical, Tchaikovsky’s 2nd Concerto and the Pathetique. And he really enjoyed it. We’ve been to two more concerts since and he enjoyed both particularly Rachmaninov’s 2nd Concerto and the Pastoral Symphony. And William Tell which he recognised and the Lark ascending. I guess the point I am trying to make is that the main problem is that people are scared of classical music which they see as elistist. It probably doesn’t help that Orchestras tend to wear formal suits. But when they attend without prejudice they can enjoy it. Incidentally he now listened to classic fm on a regular basis.
    We’ve also enjoyed Gilbert and Sullivan, Kiss me Kate, cavalleria Rusticana, some Shakespeare at the local playhouse. And it is he who is really looking forward to continuing our explorations once we are able to do so.
    So maybe the problem is the lack of unprejudiced exposure.
    You can expose classical music in the most non-elitist, unprejudiced, politically correct ways to X number of people who know little or nothing about it, from all classes, walks of life, educational backgrounds, levels of intelligence, etc., etc., etc.,...and what it will come down to is that 90% of them (at least) will not like it...just because it does not connect with them and vice versa...they simply will not like, PERIOD. That is how it has always been, is now, and will always be.

    For the last half century the classical music industry has tried numerous gimmicks to build audiences and they haven't worked because, in the end, aside from the gimmicks, a potential new classical music fan has to actually LISTEN TO THE MUSIC. And casually dressed musicians, a less formal performance atmosphere, the freedom to clap between movements, etc. does not relieve them of the responsibility (and for many, the arduous task) of sitting still for 5, 10, 20, 40 minutes and JUST LISTENING...not to mention understanding what they are listening to.

    Sad to say, classical music is not for everyone...in fact, it is for a small, very small segment of society. I wish it were otherwise but that is the reality.

    That said, I am glad your friend has joined us!
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    Classical music alienates people? Good.

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    I got lucky. My two best friends in high school and several in college were also CM fans then and still are now. We would introduce one another to pieces one of us had heard for the first time and gotten the LP (it was the LP era). Our high school also had a good music and music appreciation teacher who was dedicated to CM. But I also loved Rock, Tin Pan Alley, and Doo-Wop, and cante flamenco, as did one of my friends.

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    There was someone who posted this here several years ago. When he first went on a particular dating site he listed classical as his favorite music, however he didn't get many responses. He subsequently didn't list that on other dating sites he joined and had better luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pyotr View Post
    There was someone who posted this here several years ago. When he first went on a particular dating site he listed classical as his favorite music, however he didn't get many responses. He subsequently didn't list that on other dating sites he joined and had better luck.
    A couple of years ago a female co-worker of mine decided to join a dating site. At work she showed us her on-line dating profile. And, since she is an amateur baroque flutist, she mentioned liking Bach's "Actus Tragicus" in her profile, among other things.
    She was totally earnest; but unaware this could be dating poison.

    To make a long story short, I took it on me to edit her profile (with the help of two other co-workers). I also invited her home to take some dating-profile-pics of her in front of my marble fireplace. After this profile-makeover she hit it of with the first guy who responded. (and now they're married).

    Later, to thank me for my efforts, my wife & I were treated to a Gubaidulina concert in their company.

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